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Argument for and Against...
Tiletamine & Cannabis
by GLaDOS
Citation:   GLaDOS. "Argument for and Against...: An Experience with Tiletamine & Cannabis (exp115518)". Erowid.org. Sep 12, 2021. erowid.org/exp/115518

 
DOSE:
T+ 0:00
8 mg insufflated Pharms - Tiletamine (powder / crystals)
  T+ 0:10 10 mg insufflated Pharms - Tiletamine (powder / crystals)
  T+ 0:20 2 hits vaporized Cannabis  
  T+ 1:20 13 mg insufflated Pharms - Tiletamine (powder / crystals)
  T+ 7:00 15 mg insufflated Pharms - Tiletamine (powder / crystals)
  T+ 7:10 2 hits vaporized Cannabis  
  T+ 8:00 20 mg insufflated Pharms - Tiletamine (powder / crystals)
  T+ 10:30 25 mg insufflated Pharms - Tiletamine (powder / crystals)

BODY WEIGHT: 125 lb


Argument For & Against Recreational Tiletamine

Seeing as there are currently limited reports on this substance I wanted to be sure to share my first ever recreational experience with Tiletamine, including my mistakes and successes, and with a strong emphasis on the lessons I learned.

Previous to this experience, I had used Ketamine approximately 5 or 6 times in my life, which made me curious about Tiletamine.

I separated my experience into two unique reports, the first focused on light doses and took place while I was preparing dinner in the late afternoon, and the second report focused on moderate to high doses and took place later that evening. I will go over why I felt this decision was a mistake towards the end of my report.

I chose not to reagent test this substance, as I purchased it from a highly reputable local vendor whose products I have tested in the past. I also purchased DXM as part of this same order, which was tested and verified as genuine. Also, reagent tests for Tiletamine are quite difficult to find and I wasnít sure about the efficacy of testing using a standard Ketamine testing kit.

Below is my first report which began at 3 P.M.

Form: Tiletamine HCL powder
ROA: insufflation

T 0:00 - dose 3mg: sub perceptual
T 0:00 - dose 5mg: sub perceptual
T 0:10 - dose 10mg: pain relief
T 0:20 - two hits cannabis (sativa) vapor
T 0:30 - memo

I feel excited, but my body feels relaxed. My chronic neck pain, which was bothering me earlier, is barely noticeable. This is an enjoyable recreational dose.

T 1:20 - dose 13mg: numbing sensations
T 1:40 - memo

Feels pretty great! Chronic pain is no longer noticeable, some dizziness and clumsiness.

T 3:00 - memo

The effects seem to have mostly worn off. Some qualities were alcohol-like, I experienced minor dizziness and significant pain relief.

This concludes my first report, which took place while I was preparing toum in the afternoon to go with dinner. I made falafel for my family, which we enjoyed at approximately 6 P.M. with baklava for dessert.

I ended my first report with generally very positive feelings about the experience.

I drank plenty of water and took several hours of rest in preparation for my next trip.

Below is my second report which began on the same day, at 10 P.M. in my bedroom. If itís more helpful for you to consider this a part of the same report, simply add T+7:00 to all of the time stamps included here.

T 0:00 - dose 15mg: drunkenness?
T 0:10 - two hits cannabis (sativa) vapor
T 1:00 - dose 20mg: k-hole equivalent
T 3:00 - drink three bottles of water
T 3:30 - dose 25mg: immediate hole
T 3:50 - ego death, hallucinations
???? witch-shaped body movements ????
T 6:00 - I am semi-lucid and exhausted
T 7:00 - I can walk without falling
T 7:30 - take a shower
T 8:00 - drink more water, nap
T 8:45 - wake up with coffee and banana
T 20:00 - hangover wears off completely

This concludes my second report, during which I mostly laid in bed contorting myself into strange poses and gestures, later trying and failing to find a movie to watch that Iíd enjoy. Very overwhelming.

This experience shed some light onto a few negative qualities of the drug that were not as apparent while taking lighter doses in the afternoon.

I will first address the negatives.

Mistakes made & lessons learned:

The most significant mistake that I made was planning both experiences on the same day. Iíll explain how I made this error in judgement, but without trying too hard to justify my actions: Ketamine has much shorter and easier after effects when compared to Tiletamine. When using Ketamine, I usually find that all after effects have completely disappeared at most 6 hours following the time of the most recent dose. As you can see in my second report, Tiletamine is very different in this regard. I didnít stop feeling after effects until T 20:00, more than 16 hours following my most recent dose.

This leads me to believe Tiletamine stays active in my system for a significantly longer amount of time, which then also means that my evening doses were being boosted by my afternoon experience.

If using Tiletamine in moderate to high doses, be extra sure to plan the entire following day for recovery. The hangover is significantly worse and much longer lasting when compared to Ketamine. Tiletamine also seems much more dehydrating compared to Ketamine. This is probably the single best argument against recreational use of Tiletamine. Ketamine produces similar effects but without nearly as much hangover.

For these reasons I am inclined to agree with the consensus that Ketamine is strictly better for recreational use than Tiletamine. However, there are certainly some positives to discuss as well!

Positives and unique qualities:

The most significant trait which is unique to Tiletamine as a dissociative is the absolutely insane, over the top ego death experience which it produces. I have experienced ego death on Psilocybin, Ketamine, Salvia, LSD and DXM. I can confidently say that the ego death experience associated with Tiletamine was entirely unlike anything else induced by any other substance, it was profoundly overwhelming and all encompassing.

Since Iíve used Ketamine as a comparison point several times already, Iíll stick to that since it seems most relevant to this report. Ego death on Ketamine has many similarities: completely forgetting my sense of self, as well as a sensation of being ďsomewhere elseĒ for a period of time. During that time on Ketamine, vision is often distorted to such an extent that Iím not able to tell which room Iím in, or if Iím even in a room at all. My vision may become reminiscent of a large, open blank space, like an empty warehouse or field, and my perspective will often shift to a point where it becomes unrecognizable.

Where Tiletamine is so incredibly different in this experience lies in the nature of the hallucinations: it did not take me to a ďblankĒ space like I would expect from Ketamine (or DXM for that matter). Instead, my field of vision was full of bright colors and shapes. I experienced extremely vivid hallucinations which were more comparable in nature, although again not even remotely identical, to Psilocybin, LSD, or even Salvia.

Itís important to note that this difference is not exclusively attributable to the combination with cannabis, as I almost always combine cannabis with all of the other substances that Iíve mentioned. However, it is possible that the difference could be attributed to my ignorance to the duration of the aftereffects, and so I was very likely dosing slightly higher than I had intended to.

During my ego death experience with Tiletamine I became entirely convinced (and to be honest, I still believe this) that posing my body in certain shapes, in combination with hand gestures and focused intention, allowed me to manipulate my experience and environment in order to produce the results I wanted. After the experience was over it caused me to think heavily on subjects like witchcraft, where ritual magic is performed using specific bodily gestures, focused intention and verbal incantations.

I focused my ďspell castingĒ during my experience on increasing feelings of love and appreciation for my family, as well as growing familial and friendship bonds, being more connected with others, and in general the core concept of human togetherness. Perhaps the most encouraging trait of Tiletamine was that I found it to be incredibly natural to integrate my intentions from my experience into my sober reality in the days following, Iíve had great success with staying motivated in my desire to improve my relationships during the time since.

In conclusion: for recreational use, Ketamine is better than Tiletamine. It produces a much more manageable hangover, if any hangover at all, and itís also much easier to dose safely and consistently using Ketamine due to the extreme potency of Tiletamine.

However, Tiletamine produced a truly unique sensation of ego death which was unlike anything else Iíve experienced before, and most importantly, that experience has greatly benefited my mental health and enjoyment of life in the time since then.



Exp Year: 2021ExpID: 115518
Gender: Male 
Age at time of experience: 25 
Published: Sep 12, 2021Views: 267
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