Citation: Kaleida. "A Reliable and Cathartic Tryptamine: An Experience with 4-AcO-MALT & Cannabis (exp114064)". Erowid.org. Feb 24, 2020. erowid.org/exp/114064
[This trip report is written from a multiple-identity perspective.]
The following Greek letters have been changed to protect the innocent. This trip report is written by Phi.
This was our fifth experience with 4-AcO-MALT, and was meant to be a special trip for me. Nearly four months prior to this writing, we had taken 75 mg of memantine orally and experienced a powerful dissociative reaction from it, which is fairly typical for us. One day we will write a trip report about one of these memantine experiences we've had, but so far they've all been very long, very detailed, and very hard to remember, so we generally just let that go compared to other things, but importantly, this trip turned out to be one that had a very significant effect on our collective psyche, shook a lot of things loose and caused us to have to work through a lot of inner turmoil down the road, and we're only now feeling that we're getting to a point where we're starting to be generally settled down again, which is why I'm writing this trip report now. I'm still not going to write about the memantine experience itself this time, but I am going to detail the accent to the trip, the 4-AcO-MALT we took four days after taking the memantine when it was mostly gone
the 4-AcO-MALT we took four days after taking the memantine when it was mostly gone
, but we could still feel the slight dissociative effects lingering in our system.
This dosage increase follows the same logic we have used with the previous 4-AcO-MALT experiences, as our five trips in order have been on 25, 50, 75, 100, and now 125 mg. With previous experiences we did not notice any concerning body load or other threatening effects that made us worried about pushing the dosage further, so we were still comfortable with going this high now so far. I was a bit nervous to jump into something like this that I was sure would probably be pretty powerful and would even be a new high dosage of something for us, but the others reassured me that they would help look out for me and guide me if I needed it and I knew I really wanted to have the kind of experience that was in store for me too, so I finally decided to go ahead with it and just see what happens.
Our previous experience with psychedelics included DMT, MET, MPT, EPT, MiPT, DiPT, MALT, DALT, Psilocybe cubensis, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-DET, 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-EPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-McPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-MET, 4-AcO-DET, 4-AcO-MALT, 4-AcO-DALT, 5-HO-DMT, 5-MeO-MiPT, 5-MeO-EiPT, 5-MeO-DALT, Ipomoea tricolor, Argyreia nervosa, LSD, ETH-LAD, AL-LAD, 1P-LSD, 2C-C, 2C-B, 2C-I, 2C-E, DOC, DOB, 4C-D, Myristica fragrans, and MDMA. Our most recent trip before this was four days prior on 75 mg of memantine, and our most recent trip on a psychedelic was two weeks before this on 50 mg of MALT taken orally.
T-1:10 - I wake up in control and go to the bathroom, then Iota switches out and has a snack at T-0:42 to settle our stomach while I decide for certain that I want to take 4-AcO-MALT and not something else.
T-0:30 - I take 2000 mg Magnesium glycinate, something we've been doing as of late before taking many psychedelics as it supposedly helps with muscle tension. Afterwards I prepare marijuana for smoking later during the trip and pick out which clothes I'd like to wear after taking a shower.
T+0:00 - 125 mg 4-AcO-MALT down the hatch! I have a couple chips with it as well to wash out the bad flavor. Shortly afterwards I go to the bathroom again and then get in the shower.
T+0:24 - At this point I noted that I was out of the shower but not dressed, literally just stepped out, and I already multiple typos in this note.
T+0:39 - The typos continue and there is either not much to the notes or they are hard to make sense of, and since this trip happened over three months ago I'm afraid it would be difficult for me to fill in the exact details of what was going on; however, I do know that the reason the notes are so hard to interpret is because the 4-AcO-MALT was hitting quite intensely, with very strong geometric visuals along with constant eye wiggling as well as typical 4-substituted tryptamine-style feelings of increasing come-up anxiety setting in. As was noted in previous experiences, the effects were particularly similar to 4-AcO-DMT but superficially a bit more like LSD or other synthetic tryptamines, but really mainly superficially, at it's core it felt mostly more like 4-AcO-DMT. Also similarly to 4-AcO-DMT for us, what I do remember of the visuals at this point is that they were more overwhelming than structured, lots of shapes and distortions but not much going in a visionary sense yet.
T+0:42 - I purged at this point, which is pretty common for us with tryptamine trips of this intensity. At T+0:45 I started smoking the bowl of marijuana I loaded, just a hit so far I think.
T+0:53 - From here until T+1:16 the notes focus exclusively on the music being listened to, which really isn't important, and I was having fun listening to it, but I also remember still just feeling overwhelmed and more like I was trying to use it as a distraction. At T+1:21 I made a note that I felt as though I was beginning to have an ego death type of experience or slipping into another reality
At T+1:21 I made a note that I felt as though I was beginning to have an ego death type of experience or slipping into another reality
, and I was panicking a bit, but Zeta started talking me through it and helping me calm down, and at T+1:30 I noted that I was starting to get over the panic and that it all felt very intense. That being said, once it started passing I started realizing that it wasn't too different from other powerful 4-substituted tryptamine mindfuck experiences we have had before, I think it had just been a long time since I had personally experienced one so heavy and it really took me by surprise.
T+1:36 - I was starting to burp and release some more of the physical tension that had been building up during the experience, nothing really notable compared to a lot of psychedelics but I feel like it was more than we expected from past 4-AcO-MALT experiences. Voluntarily releasing tension in ways like stretching was also starting to really nice so I went to lie down in bed and meditate for a bit.
T+2:42 - While in bed, the feeling of releasing tension continued to grow and grow until it became overwhelming, and then consumed me, and I wasn't able to stop and make another note about any of it until this point. Everything I did would push me into an orgasmic reaction even though almost none of it was sexual, it was just that relieving; I felt it while stretching, while laughing, while crying thinking about the difficult things that had been unearthed related to my past repression during our memantine experience and someone we used to know who is no longer with us related to those things, and more simply and sometimes actually sexual, just while soaring through vivid fantasies about how I would live my life in from a manic perspective, not literally soaring as if in an out-of-body experience, just being overwhelmed by the imaginary clarity. Notably, I wrote that during the aforementioned crying, the emotional synesthesia I experienced with the psychedelic sensory effects and the feeling of catharsis associated with the crying in general reminded me in particular of 2C-E in a way that other psychedelics generally have not.
T+2:50 - Finally convincing myself to get up out of bed, I take another couple hits of marijuana from the bong, go the bathroom again, and decide to take another shower and let the now intense relaxation phase of the trip wash over me.
T+3:21 - I'm now out and dressed, and put on the song "If I Could Find" by the group Goldfish with Kappa's recommendation, and finally start getting into dancing and enjoying the music for real, not just as a way to keep my mind busy. From this point on I and we mostly just continue listening to music and getting lost in thought until T+3:51 when we start noticing that we're getting hungry and put in an order for lunch. We also continue smoking and go back to dancing after ordering the food until T+4:40 when it arrives and I put something trippy on Hulu to watch while we eat. As usual when in this state of mind, the food was freaking delicious and we finished it around T+5:07. As the episode we were watching finishes at T+5:12, I note that I am feeling incredibly satisfied and high and am definitely still tripping, with visuals still present though much more in the mind's eye now rather than in the sensory field, though still both to some extent.
T+5:38 - Kappa comes out as I start spacing out and notes that she is doing lots of psychedelic thinking. She was the core tripper during out last 4-AcO-MALT experience and still feels very connected to and affected by it, and throughout the experience she and I have briefly been switching to her and then switching back to me because she has different music stuck in her head and accidentally sings out while humming it, and things like that. She puts on another song herself and once again hits the bong.
T+6:01 - We're starting to feel things winding down and Kappa and Rho put on a TV show for us to watch, not just a trippy comedy like we usually watch while tripping but something live-action and longer and more dramatic. I note that the show is rather pretentious at T+6:25 but by T+6:44 am crying from the sudden reveal of one of the characters having a serious health problem, and the tears are now flowing even easier than they were earlier in the trip, though there are no orgasms accompanying them this time around.
T+6:54 - The episode ends and Kappa and I are still crying, but we're now noticing that the trip are more substantially subsiding, and there is definitely still a feeling of going just a little bit, a body comfort, the occasionally spiraling in the mind's eye, but it seems to be mostly over. That being said, three minutes after this we had one of those moments where your vision just suddenly refocuses and for a split second saw all kinds of nearly DMT-like alien technologies forming in the shadows, but it really was so quick we had no time to comprehend it before it was gone and then we were back to basically not tripping again, just some kind of exhausted brain glitch pumping the lingering remains of the trip up for an instant before correcting itself.
I continued to make notes about the dwindling experience for the rest of the day after this, but this is really pretty much where the experience ended. There were a couple more brief moments of something appearing again for a split second like the one I just described, but the core effects of the 4-AcO-MALT were obviously long down with by then. Ultimately, on a personal level, this trip did turn out to be very special to me, particularly because of how it followed that incredibly intense and world-rocking memantine experience that really shook a lot of things loose for me, it helped me make sense of a lot of it and become comfortable with who I am as separate from the other alters, which was a big part of what that memantine experience centered around. At the same time, from a more objective perspective, the trip was a fairly standard psychedelic experience and nothing about it seemed to stand out particularly well, other than the fact that it was simply a great experience. In step with our previous observations, it mostly felt like 4-AcO-DMT, though probably a bit less deep despite still being quite deep, but also a bit more euphoric in that sexual or, even when not, orgasmic sort of way, but overall, I think the two are relatively close to one another. Is it worth seeking out among all the other options available these days? That might be something you have a hard time answering without having tried it yourself, which sort of defeats the purpose of asking the question in most cases. I think I'll have to say that I'd recommend it as a drug if it's ever easy to explore, but it's not like I think everyone should rush to get it either. I have no complaints about it though, that all being said.
Considering that our experiences have been pretty consistent and that this trip was fairly intense, I'm guessing that 125 mg orally will probably be as far as we push it for now, at least until someone crazier than us ever decides to push even further and reveals that it's still safe to do so. Still, I hope our writings on 4-AcO-MALT have been enlightening so far, and we'll certainly share any more noteworthy insights about it we may happen to stumble upon in the future.
Thanks for reading and I hope everyone is doing wonderfully themselves!
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