Citation: CurvedAir. "Nexus Flip the Hard Way: An Experience with MDMA & 2C-B (exp109190)". Erowid.org. Sep 29, 2016. erowid.org/exp/109190
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I've been reading quite a lot of enthusiastic comments on the MDMA + 2C-B combination ('nexus flipping'). Seemed almost like everybody is excited about it and almost nobody had a bad experience, with exception of people taking ridiculously high dosages of some of these two substances. I guess this is not that surprising, as people tend to be enthusiastic about their good experiences, usually not wanting to take a part in sharing what catastrophic stuff happened to them. I'm writing this report to balance the material one may find in the wild internets when looking for a reference.
My attitude to 2C-B is overall positive. Usually, I have a good time taking it with my friends in some 15-25 mg oral doses. I don't feel that much of the body load, or the body effects at all, I don't even feel particularly good (towards the euphoric way), I feel just like having a good time – laughing, having that 'fellow feeling' with my co-trippers (but far less then with MDMA), and feeling like exploring the world and its mysteries (but to less extent than with LSD). I feel I still have a work to do to understand 2C-B, but that is fine, I have time and I am willing to be patient with it.
My history with MDMA is more rich. During last two years, I have been taking it once per month on average. Not being a big fun of re-dosing, just take my ~140 mg and flow with the flow.
To the story! It was a home-party with my girlfriend at her place. We took ~140 mg MDMA each and had a great time, spending most of it in the bed talking about our lives, issues, and appreciating the nice bits of each other... Relationship maintenance some call it, calming down the running trains of our everyday lives to remind ourselves that appreciation of the small things is what we want to live for. Syncing our inner songs. Being together with no tend to rush anywhere, with no demands on each other.
It was simply great. Aaand we had some leftovers in our M. stash and we did not resist to try to re-dose with it. I think there was about 100 mg for each of us and we snorted that during some half an hour. I was getting some kicks from it, although it felt more speedy and less MDMA-y, probably due to too much time we left pass from the initial dose (I believe we took the booster some 3 hours after). My gf told me she felt nothing from the booster.
After contemplating what to do next with our evening, I started to play with the thought to put a bit of 2C-B on top of our MDMA. 'Do you want an all night flight?'
'Do you want an all night flight?'
, I remember saying myself to her with the 2C-B bag in my hand. So we did it (2C-B HBr, 10 mg insufflated each, at T+3.5h) and we felt the effects almost immediately. We managed to smoke a cigarette before the heavy body load got me to my knees; quite literally, because I left to the toilet and started to vomit quite abruptly. It wasn't easy, because I had nothing in my stomach, and also the visual effects started to kick in, and the room and everything in it started to move around. It was physically very exhausting. When I felt safe to leave the bathroom, it felt like I am coming up more and more. I sit into an armchair where I stayed for most of the evening.
I closed my eyes. It felt like being in a dream. It felt almost like falling asleep with non-sensual dream-like sequences being played behind my eyelids. I couldn't say whether it was pleasant or unpleasant, but I could barely move, so I decided to go with this. After unknown amount of time, I opened my eyes, feeling confused, realizing where I am and what I've been doing. So I closed my eyes again. My girlfriend was lying in the bad, experiencing something very similar. The first hour after snorting the bees, we were still mostly transitioning between dreamy sleepy and being confused of what is going on. It is notable that we couldn't really recall what was in that dreams.
I guess we were exhausted from all the MDMA, starving, smoking, and also the day itself, but the stimulation effect from 2C-B prevented us from passing out. Maybe also MDA (as an MDMA metabolite) played a role in the closed-eyes visual plays, but who knows. After the first hour, it all started to be somehow OK, I started to partly enjoy all this madness, did a bit of guitar playing, rolling myself on a carpet, and other fun stuff. At two hours (2C-B mark), I felt completely shitty again. My girlfriend managed to persuade me to ingest some food thankfully, which helped and I felt asleep quite shortly.
All in all, it was a truly dumb idea to combine the drugs in this fashion. It is easy to feel enthusiastic about doing more fun substances when already on such a fun substance, as MDMA is. On the other hand, now I know. Good. I started to plan ahead the dosages when doing MDMA et al. and it works so far.
I tried snorting 2C-B two more times after this experience and it was a roller-coaster every time. First 20 minutes gives me very strong nausea, however, I was able to hold it out without vomiting. The trips were quite strong and very nice after this initial sick period. That being said, I decided to never snort 2C-B again. Partly because of the nausea and confusion for the first half an hour, and also because of the nose pain it accompanies.
Usually there is a slow pattering and moving of my visual world when I am doing 2C-B. The slow gradual movement is not dissimilar to that of alcohol in the stages where I already feel quite sick, which doesn't help me. The visuals (both open and closed-eyes) I got in my story were far stronger and more LSD-like. I remember we couldn't really look into our faces, as they were morphing and looking very unhuman. My thought at that time was 'people are having sex on this drug? Not possible!' Well, not with this dosage and set, indeed.
This experience was a difficult one, but I don't consider it to be a bad one. I can imagine very synergistic relation between MDMA and 2C-B and I will try this again 'the right way'. The realization for me is that 2C-B and MDMA is not a foolproof combination, even with moderately high doses. When I did already come down from MDMA, it was probably too late to start having super great time again. This is something I should have realized when the MDMA booster didn't work as expected. Not sure if I didn't realize that or I just didn't want to.
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