Citation: Kaleida. "A Visual Masterpiece: An Experience with 5-MeO-MiPT, Nitrous Oxide & Cannabis (exp108005)". Erowid.org. Jun 5, 2016. erowid.org/exp/108005
This was my first experience with 5-MeO-MiPT, and my first experience with a 5-methoxytryptamine derivate in general. I have however used one tryptamine that had a 5-substitution on it before, that being the 5-hydroxy group present in bufotenin. But, given that all of the synthetic 5-substituted tryptamines currently in use are derived from 5-MeO-DMT, I would say that this has only helped me feel maybe half prepared for them at best, and this experience with 5-MeO-MiPT still felt significant to me as also causing the MiPT base to be the first in which I have used all of the 'big three' molecular patterns (in this case, 4-HO-MiPT, MiPT itself, and 5-MeO-MiPT). Just a little personal note there.
There is a lot I would like to say about this chemical, as I was quite blown away and impressed with my experience with it, but I will attempt to save most of my retrospective speculation for the end of the report. For now, let me just say that 5-MeO-MiPT far exceeded all of my expectations, and it showed me once again just how significant the differences between each person's responses to different psychedelics can be. After many years of wondering I now know which side of this particular fence I fall on!
My previous experience with psychedelics includes Psilocybe cubensis, Ipomoea tricolor, Argyreia nervosa, bufotenin, DMT, LSD, 2C-B, 2C-I, DOC, MDMA, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MET, 4-AcO-MET, 4-HO-DET, 4-AcO-DET, 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-AcO-DALT, MiPT, DiPT, DALT, and at least a couple of unidentified things. My most recent trip had been almost exactly one month before this, on 80 mg of 4-AcO-DALT.
T-1:00 - I believe that I got out of bed somewhere around this time, and it was then that I started mentally preparing myself for the experience ahead. I had been planning this trip for a little while now, and was trying to keep an open mind for my first experience with this chemical. From what I had heard, reactions could range from incredibly subtle to mind-bendingly powerful, depending on the dose and person in question. Once I decided on the perfect time to dose, I started psyching myself up for it.
T+0:00 - I weighed out 8 mg of 5-MeO-MiPT on my scale and dosed it orally, straight with no capsule as recent experiences had taught me might be the better option. As a side note, there was a personal struggle regarding whether to dose simply by weighing the powder or by using a solvent and dosing volumetrically; I chose the former because most of the reactions I've heard of from 5-MeO-MiPT that I was interested in only happened at above 10 mg doses anyway and I tend to be insensitive by weight to many psychedelics as it, however, as this chemical is very potent for a tryptamine, particularly to any less experienced travelers I would definitely recommend seriously considering the volumetric method, unless you wish to risk tripping much harder than you had planned for. Consider yourself warned! Anyhow, one nice thing I will say about the powder is that it was easier to handle eating it than the larger amounts I've swallowed of 4-substituted and base tryptamines, but it still did not taste very good.
T+0:10 - My plan was to take the dose, prepare a bowl of cannabis to smoke in a little bit, then get in the shower and prepare myself for the day as it it comes up. At about this time I finished that prep, and went into the bathroom. While I was in there I could tell that it was still too early after dosing for me to notice too many significant effects, but I could definitely tell that something was beginning to show itself subtly. With eyes open I could see shadowy textures beginning to squirm around on surfaces here and there, and with eyes closed I actually started to see some neon blocky visuals around the sides of my vision which actually reminded me quite significantly of coming up on both MiPT and LSD. Something similar, but slightly more different from the others, also has appeared for me on 4-HO-MiPT.
T+0:30 - I got out of the shower, dried myself off and got dressed, and then started smoking that cannabis about five minutes after this. It felt like a breath of fresh air, and the slight anxious energy I had started to feel building up suddenly as I got out of the calming warmth of the water started becoming evened out by the very positive synergy with the body energy of the cannabis that I could now feel quickly making itself known.
T+0:40 - I suddenly felt a bit more nauseous before, nothing really particularly bad, but noticeable. The previously mentioned visual distortions were also slowly increasing in intensity, but were still not too crazy yet. However, I did already feel that there was something intriguingly deep-feeling about them. The anxious energy I had felt before was now also becoming primarily just positive and euphoric at this point, and was accompanied by some typical tryptamine tremors at moments of higher stimulation, less so than 4-HO-MiPT but more than MiPT for me.
T+0:45 - I had a sudden feeling that I was about to dry-heave, but by the time I got myself to the toilet the feeling had started fading away already. I was a little nervous that the nausea would still around or suddenly pop back up at that point for some reason, but after a few minutes I realized that instead seemed to be a sufficient enough release to get me over that hump, as suddenly that discomfort seemed to dissolve out of all the corners of my perception it had sunk into, and now I was just starting to feel really great all around.
T+0:50 - I opened up YouTube on the TV to play some music, and immediately it became obvious how much the visuals were beginning to really present themselves. Letters in words and textures all around the images were swaying, warping, smudging, and so on, and though it wasn't the most extreme intensity of it in any given spot that I've ever seen, the broad coverage of it honestly might have been; as far as I could tell nothing in my range of vision was free from the constant motion, all of which seemed to have easy access to the entire rainbow spectrum when creating their distortions of reality. I moved my hand when I noticed this as well, and quickly saw that I was also starting to get strong tracers, almost identical in nature to the nearly blinding ones I experienced on 50 mg of 4-HO-MiPT, not to that same visually obscuring degree but absolutely feeling like they had the potential to take me at least that far out, if not even further. At this point, I'm starting to get the feeling that I'm going to come out of this experience a lot more humble than I went in. As for the music, it was not the most intensely enhanced I've ever had a psychedelic do for me, but it was indeed quite impressive; I could definitely see it as being a close funtional analogue to MiPT, which was one of the best music enhancers I've ever experienced.
T+1:00 - Despite most of my bodily issues from before having cleared up now, I was noticing that I was starting to have some issues with my perceived temperature regulation like I had experienced on other tryptamines
I was starting to have some issues with my perceived temperature regulation like I had experienced on other tryptamines
too, and I ended up fiddling with the air conditioner, turning fans on and off, opening and closing windows, and so on for a lot of the trip from this point on. As far as I could tell through my altered perception I really don't think I was overheating at this or any other time though, it was just a subjective discomfort. I suspect that a better setting with a more comfortable air flow would properly remedy this issue in the future. However, for the moment I was stuck with the setting I had, and so I decided to fill a balloon with my only eight cartridges of nitrous oxide, hoping that it would detach me from my body enough to help me more fully adjust to a blissful state.
T+1:10 - The nitrous felt great, though I didn't quite feel like I went 'all the way' with it. I didn't particularly feel like it was necessary to do so this time though, and instead spent more time just focusing on the interesting dilation of time perception and how comfortable and calm I felt on this very interesting combination of psychoactive substances. I cannot recall an increase in hallucinogenic effects while I was inhaling the balloon, but that might have been because I was lost in thought; once I finished the nitrous and started glancing around the room again, the same distortions as before but at a now increasingly greater intensity began showing up all over the place again. I did feel a bit better physically still after the nitrous too, but still not perfect, and I decided that going outside in the nice breeze might be just what I need.
T+1:20 - I got my roommate's dog ready to go on a walk with me, and we traveled into the outside world. It was absolutely beautiful out there, a great temperature and lots of wind, but it did feel fairly intense just to be out there. The world was very bright and overwhelming, and I felt extremely aware of the fact that any of my neighbors could be watching me stumble around out there at any moment. I closed my eyes to take a deep breath and calm myself as a I was walking, but as I did so I was met with an almost alarmingly powerful and unexpected visual effect, one which seemed to almost be drawing some kind of simple geometric jungle using the same blocky neon designs from before, arranged as they often are in such a way that seems somewhere between the markings of a futuristic space ship and ancient temple drawings, to a few glowing solid color sheet backgrounds. As I breathed in and out the mathematical trees and vines pulsed in and out all around me, and at this point my awe for this chemical really started to set in. But, after allowing the dog to go to the bathroom and enjoy a bit of the outside world and weather, I decided that I probably looked a little too lost and disoriented out there and headed back inside.
T+1:50 - This was the first time in the trip that I actually stopped to think about checking the time again, so a little more awareness of reality was beginning to return to me. I really felt like I was actually tripping quite hard at this point, definitely still in control but with a good deal of energy, hedonistic euphoria, colorful visuals, and prominent distortions, but unfortunately after getting back inside I had slowly started becoming more uncomfortable with my temperature again. So, after taking ages to force myself to get off the couch without getting caught in random thoughts or simply rolling around in my seat, I decided to run a warm bath for myself and see if that could do me some good.
T+2:15 - I got in the bath, started one of the more musical episodes of Bob's Burgers up on my laptop just to have in the background while I get lost in thought some more, and began smoking my second bowl of cannabis. Getting in the water again turned out to be a fantastic idea; now all of my temperature discomfort was completely evaporated, and the full strength of the euphoria and imagination enhancements really seemed to shine through. In addition, certain aspects of the visuals seemed to loosen up more easily, and I found myself slipping wanting to slip into a trance state with them. At one point during it I did close my eyes just to see what would develop behind them if I simply let it come, and that was perhaps the most incredible phase of the entire experience for me.... The imagery, which appeared nearly instantaneously, honestly just blew me away. It definitely surpassed the visuals that I have gotten from smoked DMT, and in some ways even those I have gotten from bufotenin.... The only thing I could really compare it to most significantly would be visionary art that I have seen others make about ayahuasca, but it seemed even more geometric, but at the same time less bright or fully developed or in my face as any of those. However, it seemed unquestionable to me that these visuals would have the potential to be that powerful at an even higher dose, and I can only imagine how complex they would become by that point....
T+3:15 - Eventually I decided to get myself out of the bath and be active again, and once I got out I felt far better than when I got in, still incredibly stimulated and feeling like I was tripping quite fully but now with an additional feeling of freshness and a very obvious lack of the earlier discomfort. Open eye visuals now seemed slightly less intense than before, but were still quite present and continued to increase in strength again slightly every time I took a hit of cannabis. When I checked my phone around this point I also noticed that I had a message from a friend who was asking if I wanted to hang out, and I responded saying that I was definitely for it but that I wouldn't be able to drive myself anywhere. While I waited to hear back from him, I started listening to different music again and really enjoying just how nice and smooth everything about the trip felt now. I was definitely happy, and laughing a good amount considering that I was alone and not focusing on anything particularly funny.
T+4:05 - I have made plans with my friend by now, and it's at this point that he tells me that he's going to be on his way over to pick me up to go hang out at his place. I still feel that I am tripping hard, less so than before but still quite significantly, and decide to get a lot of my energy out by dancing wildly to some really stimulating songs. While I'm doing so I am also paying attention more to the great imagination enhancement that accompanies this chemical similar in some ways to what I have experienced on LSD and some related tryptamines, and at one point when I have my eyes closed and I start getting really into drawing patterns with my body and even begin to see full visuals of other people dancing around me and in sync with my movements, giving me the impression that I am at some sort of psychedelic rave. A very cool effect to just stumble upon!
T+5:30 - My friend arrived and we departed, and the ride felt like it took forever, but we arrived at his apartment around this time. Due to the fact that I spent most of my time talking to him and just hanging out and doing whatever, I kind of stopped really looking much for the effects of the trip at this point, but I felt that by the time we got there they were mostly down anyway other than the body energy and a lot of smearing colors on surfaces. Other than that though, there wasn't much left going on to report on.
T+6:55 - This is the first time I really checked the time again, and by now I felt that a good body high and some muscle tension were the only discernible effects really remaining.
T+9:25 - My friend dropped me off back at home, hung around for a little bit, and then headed home himself. Smoking more with him and my roommate in that time caused my imagination to become a bit more enhanced again, and the window blinds began pulsing in a transparent but mildly geometric way again, but that was the last effect like that that I really noticed.
Now, at the time of this writing, it is T+13:40, and I don't believe that there are really any lingering effects that I could distinguish from my continuing cannabis high other than just the sort of wired feeling that psychedelics can leave me with until I finally get some sleep. So, that concludes my first experience with 5-MeO-MiPT, and with tryptamines of this particulary sub-family. I have to say, I felt that it was a pretty epic introduction.
Here are the thoughts that I had that I wanted to share as well.... This experience actually helped me to have something of an epiphany about my experiences with these psychedelics. Lately I have been thinking about how some people seem to think that 4-HO-MiPT is very similar to mushrooms, and this was interesting to me because I actually found 4-HO-MiPT to be perhaps the most dislike mushrooms of the 4-substituted tryptamines I had tried. However, I believe I know what mindset I was looking at it with now which gave me that perspective.... I have noticed two separate patterns of certain types of hallucinogenic effects that mushrooms share with many synthetic psilocin derivatives I've tried, the first being within a group containing 4-HO-DET, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-DPT, and 4-AcO-DALT, and the second being within a group containing 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-MPT. 4-HO-MiPT, on the other hand, has typically had both of these effects severely reduced for me, so I find it to be the least alike mushrooms in this way. But, here is what this experience with 5-MeO-MiPT made me realize now....
These two different types of hallucinogenic effects which I notice in these groups are primarily focused around hedonistic visions, dissociation, and psychosis, and they increase in prevalence relative to the 'typical' psychedelic effects of colorful geometric hallucinations, sensory overload, cognitive expansion, and so on as the bulk of the tail of the tryptamines in each group increases. In other words, for the first group I find the effect in 4-HO-DiPT >= 4-HO-DPT >= 4-AcO-DALT > 4-HO-DET > mushrooms, and for the second group I find the effect in 4-HO-MPT > 4-HO-MET > mushrooms. I don't want to get into too much of a thing here in a trip report, but based on what we know about the pharmacology of psychedelics and the relationship between their structures and activity as well, I honestly am now starting to wonder if these effects I get are reflective of an increased activity at catecholamine receptors, which are also known to play a role in LSD which has these same kinds of effects significantly over mushrooms for me, and I think that would actually make quite a lot of sense as well as to why 4-HO-MPT and 4-HO-DPT feel particularly 'lysergic', the former especially due to having more typical mushroom-like visual effects possibly from the methyl group, and the latter sacrificing some of this but, at least to me, seeming to take the hedonism and dream-like visionary content potentially even a step further.
However, from what I can tell about the pharmacology of N-methyl-N-isopropyltryptamines, it seems as though this binding actually may, oddly, decrease rather than increase binding at many catecholamine and serotonin receptors relative to the N,N-dimethyl tail, except for the primary 5-HT2A serotonin receptor which seems to produce the classical and most readily recognizable psychedelic effects such as the aforementioned patterns and distortions. So, my epiphany that I had while thinking about my experience with this 5-MeO-MiPT then was that this could possibly be a way I actually find 4-HO-MiPT to indeed be more similar to mushrooms than the other tryptamines as well, but simply in a different way: whereas the others I find to all produce an increase in more dream-like or psychosis-like experiences, 4-HO-MiPT rather produces one which is more heavy on the geometry, distortions, ego loss, and so on, which may seem to produce fewer overt realistic hallucinations in some instances, or at least in some individuals such as myself, but make up for it by producing a greater degree of those psychedelic effects which are ultimately much psychologically and emotionally penetrating than simply some dreamy visions.
In relation to this particular trip, I now feel that I can apply some of the same logic. Similarly to the difference between 4-HO-MiPT and mushrooms, I also found MiPT to be a bit less visionary but also a bit more geometric, emotional, and cognitive than DMT, and though I can not compare to 5-MeO-DMT here, I did find that some of the effects I got from 5-MeO-MiPT could be compared to bufotenin in a similar way as well. For some examples, a couple easily notable similarities I found between their visuals were in how they both create 'hallways' out of depth distortions among visual patterning, and they use a lot of the same color as well, but 5-MeO-MiPT, like 4-HO-MiPT and MiPT, also feel more neon and electric for me than the natural tryptamines; and as for the more psychological effects, bufotenin was not quite as out-of-body as DMT or mushrooms can feel for me, but it did seem to touch upon the natural tryptamine breakthrough space to some extent, whereas 5-MeO-MiPT felt slightly more grounded to me than that but at the same time also seemed more likely to produce experiences with some loss of ego. Of course, these are only observations I have made after a single experience as well, and they very clearly could change in the future....
Anyway, my final thought on the matter would just be that I have now gained much more respect for 5-MeO-MiPT, and for MiPT and 4-HO-MiPT as well. I really do think that they are all fantastically strong psychedelics, and honestly even just visually they dominate so much for me. Particularly in that deep, geometric sense I described which I think ultimately gives me the most impressive sensory and even cognitive experiences of my life, despite being built on a technically more elementary foundation, I would say that I would really probably only place LSD and DOC within a similar group, and I have not even gotten as far as either of them with I did with this trip today. Really, it was incredible stuff.... Definitely something which I hope to explore again and again.
But, for now, I will just end this report here!
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