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Challenging But Fascinating
by Goddess Mode
Citation:   Goddess Mode. "Challenging But Fascinating: An Experience with 4-HO-DiPT (exp106271)". Nov 16, 2016.

T+ 0:00
30 mg oral 4-HO-DiPT (powder / crystals)
  T+ 0:15   smoked Cannabis  

It had been eight days since my previous trip, a weak experience on 36 mg of DiPT, and I didn't think there would be any tolerance issues. This was to be my first time trying 4-HO-DiPT by itself, with my only experience it so far coming from mixing it with LSD once at 25 mg. Since the LSD mostly dominated that trip, I expected this to be basically like a new experience for me. Aside from that one combination trip, in this class of psychedelics I also have experience with psilocybin mushrooms, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-DET, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-MET, and 4-AcO-DET.

At 9:00 PM I swallowed 30 mg of 4-HO-DiPT whole with water. What an awful taste! I haven't gotten anything this bad since I accidentally inhaled exactly as much 4-HO-MiPT all over the back of my throat a little over a year ago. With any luck this chemical will never be taken again without a gel capsule.... I started loading a bong bowl for myself to take with me into a hot shower once I started feeling the drug's effect, but first I had to use the bathroom. By the time I was done with that, maybe ten minutes or so after dosing, I was surprised to find that I could already feel something starting to creep in, but I guess I shouldn't have been knowing iprocin's reputation. I quickly finished getting ready, got in the shower, and started smoking.

Whatever was kicking in was picking up speed quickly, but it still felt very mild in a typical psychedelic way. At this point the open eye visual aspect was little more than graininess, similar to DiPT, but it felt like it still might build up a little higher than that. Meanwhile my mindset and mind's eye were starting to become a little demented similar to 4-HO-DET, 4-AcO-DET, and high dose LSD, in that there was a visionary aspect going on but it was dark, somewhat delirious, and hedonistic in nature. Something interesting that I have noticed before is that the people I see in visions on 4-HO-DET and 4-AcO-DET are not uncommonly very overweight, whereas on literally every other psychedelic I had ever tried they had always been fairly thin, but 4-HO-DiPT seemed to carry on this bigger is better theme. Curiously though, on the diethyltryptamines these entities have only been male, but this time they were female; TiHKAL's description 'Rubenesque' sums it up perfectly. These entities were also viewed as being very sexually attractive, but at the moment I was too anxious for the full trip to start to want to do anything about it.

By the time I got out of the shower the open eye visuals had progressed a little bit, but not by much. Overall, I was reminded again of 4-HO-DET and 4-AcO-DET - there were lots of flickering lights, dark shadows moving around, an increased grainy haze over things, and some breathing of surfaces - but the intensity was even less than they are for me already. On those my visuals are mostly what I just listed plus very light tracers, patterns, abstract color combinations, and so on that one would normally expect from a psychedelic, but 4-HO-DiPT was distinctly lacking in such things for me at this dose. It was also lacking in a lot of the body high and euphoria I would normally associate with such effects, again similarly to the aforementioned tryptamines. On the other hand, and quite unlike most other 4-substituted tryptamines for me, I was now also starting to experience quite a bit of nausea building up. When I completely stopped moving and relaxed it could fade away, but otherwise it made me feel like I was on the edge of vomiting. This was actually quite similar to my recent trial with DiPT, only this was much worse, and a good few times I dry heaved before I was finally able to let it settle enough to where I could at least meditate in comfort. This was by a pretty wide margin the worst thing about the experience, and another reason to definitely use a gel cap next time.

It took up some time getting over the worst part of the nausea, but I would say that somewhere between T+0:45 and T+1:00 is about when it started peaking and became a bit more comfortable. The visual effects I described previously had increased but not dramatically so, and I was now actually getting a slight tinnitus-like ringing going on that I hadn't noticed before, but somewhat similarly to DiPT. Honestly, the only time I had ever experienced a pitch drop similarly to the one described for DiPT before trying DiPT itself was on that combination of LSD and 4-HO-DiPT while doing a balloon of nitrous oxide, but I was on so many things that I had thought it might have just been the synergy; however, maybe I'm just somewhat sensitive to this effect on 4-HO-DiPT? Anyway, it wasn't particularly prevalent overall and I didn't do much listening to music during the trip, so I can't really comment on it otherwise. As I said, once my stomach had settled enough I wanted to go meditate and think about some things in my life, which had been my original intent when going into the experience
I wanted to go meditate and think about some things in my life, which had been my original intent when going into the experience
, so I headed off to bed with my still unfinished bowl of cannabis and turned out all the lights and made myself comfortable.

I'm pretty sure I really did start out in some sort of meditative position, but it quickly turned into mostly tossing and turning in bed as I didn't really need to meditate to bring out the craziness anymore. Even in the dark there still wasn't much going on in terms of distortion of sensory input, but I was being constantly overwhelmed with visions from my mind's eye, which became quite solid when I had my eyes closed. There were two primary sets of effects going on which I can relate to other experiences.... The first again relates to 4-HO-DET, 4-AcO-DET, and LSD. It was characterized by having my perception overloaded with arms all reaching out towards me in spiraling patterns, feeling increasingly dissociated to the point that I'm verging upon going out-of-body from sensory overload, and becoming delirious and losing track of who and where I am and what's going on. The second relates to mushrooms, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MET, 4-AcO-MET, 4-HO-MiPT, DiPT, and sometimes LSD and DMT for me, and it was characterized by highly erotic fantasy visions that have a visual-touch synesthesia element to them in that I can feel that happening as a part of my own body, and when there's enough of it it starts to blur out my perception of my body behind it. With this 4-HO-DiPT, I think I would have to say that this might have been my favorite ratio of these effects to one another yet; there were times when I was actually becoming a part of these sexual visions because they were so overwhelming and three-dimensional and I was so dissociated at the same time, I could feel myself really riding along the edge of heaven. But, I didn't dose quite that high, and I never went fully over the line, but I sure will aim to next time!

However, it wasn't all fun and games; I asked to think about my life going in, and I got exactly what I wanted. A lot of the mindset was comparable only to the first time I took five grams of mushrooms, in that I was constantly questioning basically every life decision I've ever made in pretty harsh ways. Given the lack of euphoria and despite that still a lot of anxious energy, this part was actually pretty difficult to get through, not the hardest thing in the world but certainly more than just a happy easygoing trip like some reports had led me to believe this might be. I didn't mind ultimately in this particular situation because it did indeed give me what I asked for, but it might've taken me by surprise if I had dosed it in an environment better suited for something more extroverted or empathogenic. Luckily for me though, I was prepared for this and was able to come to some important emotional conclusions for myself in the end. The only complaint that I really have in retrospect is that there was a lot of memory loss that occurred for me during the trip as well, and that has made some of this hard to bring back after the fact... but it's not anything that wouldn't have been remedied by just writing things down in the moment. Definitely something to keep in mind for future reference.

Once the peak of the trip had started to pass, which definitely didn't take more than a couple of hours or so, I decided to explore the sexual aspect of this tryptamine a bit. Much of the Rubenesque imagery was still present, and both that and my usual fantasies were explored, to extreme success! There were a couple of orgasms that I don't particularly remember the build-up to in any logical way in retrospect. This was all done by myself as well, and I was pretty clearheaded and able to be social again by this point.... I can't even imagine the enhancement this would have in an actually intimate setting! That's certainly something to remember as well. By the time I wore myself out with this, the trip was pretty much over and had left nothing behind but a slowly dwindling body buzz and psychedelic clarity, which I have to say I quite enjoyed. I ended up just messaging some friends of mine while lying in bed for a while until I finally passed out around T+6:00. I woke up the next day with no lingering problems of any kind and a general feeling of being refreshed.

In conclusion, I was actually really surprised by 4-HO-DiPT on its own. It reminded me the most of 4-HO-DET and 4-AcO-DET by far, but with even less of a focus on the more traditional psychedelic sensory madness for the same level of psychological effect, and with something very distinctly like mushrooms and the other synthetic psilocin analogues that those two are somewhat lacking in for me. Though it was certainly not the easiest trip for me on a physical or mental level, it was quite fascinating and absolutely something I want to explore at higher doses where more of the classic psychedelic effects begin to kick in, and where I'm sure I won't even be in my body anymore. I have a feeling that this one could definitely prove to be a personal favorite at such a dose.... Hopefully time will tell soon enough!

Exp Year: 2015ExpID: 106271
Gender: Female 
Age at time of experience: 24 
Published: Nov 16, 2016Views: 1,646
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