Citation: my3rdi. "Holograms: The Other Shadows: An Experience with 4-AcO-DMT & 5-MAPB (exp105466)". Erowid.org. Oct 14, 2015. erowid.org/exp/105466
Background: Experienced psychedelic user. My other reports detail my background. 30 year old male. weight 245lbs, age 30, height six feet two inches
This journey took place after a previous journey about 30 days ago on 4-AcO-DMT. I use etizolam semi-regularly. However, its been about two weeks since I last consumed it. Previous night I had two drinks out before going home and going to bed around 11pm.
For the experience, I was well rested, and overall in a good place mentally.
2.2 grams Valerian Root
1 tablet Unisom
2 beers (24 total ounces)
2 glasses wine (~12 total ounces)
I administered the 4-AcO-DMT and 5-MAPB at the same time. The 4-AcO-DMT was swallowed in powder form, and washed down with water, and the 5-MAPB was in a gelcap, also washed down with water. I made note, it was 1:41pm. I decided that like with many of my 4-AcO-DMT experiences, I prefer to come up outside and enjoy nature. I gathered some things, and got the dog ready to go for a walk. We departed around 1:47pm. I had only eaten a very light breakfast of granola around 7:30am, and then a small sandwich around 11:30am. So I would categorize my stomach as being more on the empty side.
I felt the 4-AcO-DMT within 10 minutes. Which after about 20-25 trips (Dose range for me being as little as 5mg, and as high as 50mg) on it utilizing several different batches, I would characterize the come up as almost always occurring in the same manner:
1) initial euphoria hitting about 10-15 minutes after ingestion
2) as the wave of euphoria hits, so does a feeling of lightness in one's step and general movements
3) relaxation occurs in doses 1mg-15mg, after 15mg, I would say the relaxation is replaced by alertness, as the come up has a much higher response curve in higher doses
4) visual acuity and a discerning presence of color and differentiation in appearance of objects
I have tried 5-MAPB several times, and always at the same dose of 50mg, as I find that to be the sweet spot for me. The come up happens as follows:
1) first wave felt after about 30 minutes
2) euphoria and slight depersonalization set in somewhat quickly. It's much more psychedelic feeling than MDMA, which I prefer it over MDMA these days
3) heightened sense of colors
4) visuals waves and distortions
5) pupil dilation
6) feelings of empathy and connection, and what I would characterize as ego shielding, rather than ego loss
So I felt the 4-AcO-DMT within 10 minutes. The weather was overcast, but I could distinguish a very noticeable difference in colors despite the overall tone of the outside world being grey. I felt like I was noticing all the shades of grey that upon initially walking out of my house I didn't notice. My dog and I walked several blocks around our neighborhood. We passed a small apartment complex, in which it looked like a tenant was evicted at some point. There was furniture all over the street. At this juncture, I noticed the furniture way before I noticed two guys on the patio watching me. It was at this time, I realized my ability to process the things I was seeing was out of focus for lack of a better term.
The come up continued as we finished our walk. Still only signs of the 4-AcO-DMT. I would also like to note, I really enjoy the shift that occurs during the come up of 4-AcO-DMT. It's like a switch is flipped from being extroverted to introverted. And it happens the same time the visuals start, which is usually around 30-40 minutes after ingestion. By the time we had returned to our house, I was at +42 minutes since ingestion. I decided to watch a concert on youtube. I put on a favorite panic show of mine.
at around 75 minutes. I felt an immense shift of perception. This was my first time combining 5-MAPB with any substance. I have to say, it really kicked the 4-AcO-DMT into a different direction in a very good way. It also amplified the experience way more than I expected. My goal was to have a very light experience, with an estimated duration of 4 hours. Immediately I noticed that I was having very prominent open eyed visuals. A common one would be I would see a member of panic on my TV screen and upon looking to the right or left of my television they would appear in a multicolored holographic form, and this would linger until I blinked. I also noticed that the area around the TV was subject to color shifts that fit the mood of the music. This was a very nice treat. Sound was very much enhanced too.
Mentally, I would say my mind raced a good bit. I was having a lot of thoughts. Mostly about my life, and where I am right now. Overall good thoughts. I have some work related stress. But this session didn't really work through it. I will say the 5-MAPB provided a 'shield' to the open factor that occurs with 4-AcO-DMT. Which I feel can be a very unforgiving psychedelic if you get to a dark place in your mind. I felt more confident than I usually do. Around 3pm, I cracked a beer, as my nerves felt 'wired,' which is a normal feeling for me on Tryptamines.
I cut the panic show off after the first set ended. It was 3:33pm. I had to begin to prepare dinner. I had promised to make my fiance lasagna since she was in need of comfort food after a relatively rough weekend. This was interesting. I've cooked tripping many times. But never in this situation. This was my first time making lasagna, and I was going to follow a recipe, versus my usual cooking style which is very much improvised, but that also comes from having made a lot of the regular meals I prepare, often. Reading was a challenge. The instructions on my iphone, glistened, shifted, letters changing sizes. I had a pretty tough time reading. I found myself having to verify steps and procedures multiple times. Comprehension was more difficult than usual.
I managed to get the meat sauce prepared, and it was now time to wait for it to simmer for a bit. I grabbed a second beer. I put on Fear and Loathing just to have something on, as the silence to the house became kinda eerie for me. About 30 minutes into Fear and Loathing, and it was 4:30. I decided to do a pupil check, and not surprising. My eyes were extremely dilated. I was also still heavy into the peak of the experience. I had also experienced more ego loss than initially reported. I felt very segmented. I was content with the trip. Unlike other experiences, where full immersion equates to heavy levels of inebriation too (DPT and MXE comes to mind, or 4-AcO-DMT and MXE), I was fully functioning. Other than hallucinations, I began to reach a somewhat clear headspace. Around this time, I also took 1 gram of Valerian Root. By 5pm, I felt the initial effects of it as I was starting my process to land.
My fiance arrived home around 5:30pm. We talked for a bit. She had gone to meet a friend to have a serious discussion, and it went well. I found communication to be very easy, with the slight exception that I did find a few times my mind got ahead of my mouth in terms of speaking. We ate around 6pm. Taste was enhanced. I was pleased with the meal. We enjoyed a few glasses of wine and talked some more.
The rest of the evening was rather uneventful. Around 9pm, I took another gram of valerian root. Around 9:15pm, I administered a tablet of unisom as the final phase of the landing gear. I would categorize my sleep as somewhat restless. I feel good though. My brain is slightly 'scrambled' this morning. But there isn't a chemical hangover present. I was up at 6am. I had two cups of coffee, and got all of my usual morning routine done.
I would repeat the combination. Perhaps upping the 4-AcO-DMT quantity by 5mg-6mg. I think that could be a very good combination in that range. I'm also interested to mix 5-MAPB with a lysergamide.
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