Citation: Goddess Mode. "Psychedelic Hedonism Overload: An Experience with 4-AcO-MET, Cannabis & Mind Machine (exp105381)". Erowid.org. Oct 4, 2016. erowid.org/exp/105381
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This was to be my second attempt at vaporizing a 4-substituted tryptamine, with my first being last week with 4-AcO-DET fumarate. That time, in retrospect I really wish I had prepared my bowl better, as I had chosen to sandwich it between an herb since I don't have a clean pipe for straight up vaporizing right now. I had loaded 30 mg into the mixture, but I definitely lost a good bit of it to improper technique. This time, with the 4-AcO-MET, I had decided to pack the 20 mg into a thoroughly ground up bowl of cannabis, knowing that I've had more success with vaporizing DMT with that method in the past. Though, given that I was again smoking a fumarate salt that I had never heard of being used in this way - though honestly I've never heard of 4-AcO-MET being vaporized at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has been - I really wasn't sure if I was going to be able to get much out of this even when using a better technique. Nonetheless, I tried to go into to the experience optimistic.
I started out in my bedroom in the dark, and by the time I was getting most of the way through the bowl I had started to wonder if I was even feeling any psychedelic effects at all. There were definite signs of tryptamine vaporizing for me such as sweating and increased heart rate, but I was really hoping that that wasn't going to be all that I got out of it. Staring at some shapes in my room in the dark, I started to see things twist and distort a little bit more than I normally would from just using cannabis, so I decided not to worry too much and just get through the bowl. However, I ended up stopping when I felt that there was actually still one or two available hits left, because visuals or not, I could definitely tell that I was coming up on something real. The physical symptoms I described had increased, and my arms were shaking a bit like very mild tremors (not enough that I would even really call them tremors, but clearly the same thing at bare minimum threshold levels), and since this was my first time attempting to vaporize this substance I figured it would be smart to not push myself too hard if I was already feeling it.
When I had vaporized the 4-AcO-DET, what I had experienced was an initial stage of visuals and an overwhelming feeling both reminiscent of vaporizing DMT, which I would say lasted 10-20 minutes though I wasn't counting, and that was followed by a stage of heightened energy and imaginative processes and visions, that lasted maybe 45 minutes to an hour at the most, with the last chunk being the coming down. This pattern is actually the same thing that I had experienced orally when taking 4-AcO-DMT and 4-AcO-MET, but just with the duration of both phases reduced and their intensities increased. So, it was pretty much what I was expecting out of vaporizing 4-AcO-MET as well. Because of this and the fact that my first oral trip with 4-AcO-MET had such an intense coming up phase, I was a little bit concerned about the fact that there didn't seem to be a whole lot going on other than physical symptoms for the first phase of my vaporized experience. But I tried to stay hopeful for the second half of the experience, and for the moment decided to get in the shower to help pass the time until that began.
Once in the warm water I did feel pretty amazing, but I really didn't have the energy or mental enhancements that I had been hoping for based on my experience with 4-AcO-DET. Thinking back on it though, I'm really not sure why I expected that; 4-HO-DET for me was extremely visionary and psychological so it makes sense that 4-AcO-DET was as well, but both 4-HO-MET and 4-AcO-MET orally for me had tended in the past to focus much more on the visuals and the sensory overload than any cognitive factors of the experience, though some are present. Actually, now that I am considering these things side by side, doesn't it seem like they would make for a wonderful combination...? Anyway though, I also had this nagging thought in the back of my mind that it was my own fault for hoping to get an experience that was just as incredible as that one from tripping again only a week afterward, when it had been quite some time before that previous experience, but this is something I've dealt with from impulsive psychedelic use before, so I accepted it pretty easily. In one last effort to enhance my experience though, I did take one final big rip off of the bowl before finishing washing my hair.
Up until that point, I was getting some mild visual distortions with eyes open, but compared to what I'm used to with 4-AcO-MET they were practically nothing. Taking that last toke didn't significantly enhance this aspect of the experience, but it did increase this feeling of rising excitement that I was getting, and the colorful static I get behind closed eyes was starting to increase to a pretty high intensity, similar to what I first see on DMT. At the same time, I was starting to notice faces in both the static and the textures on the wall with eyes open, which I've only significantly experienced with 4-HO-MET before, but it wasn't overwhelming in any way. Overall, the trip felt like it was finally starting to shift more into the energetic phase and mind expansion phase. There were a few points where I felt that I actually did come to a couple of neat conclusions about different things I was thinking about related to my life, but unfortunately, I can't remember what they were now; I credit this more to the fact that I was just lost in thought in the shower and then got distracted afterward than to any memory loss effects of the drug, and maybe those thoughts will come back to me when the time is right. Aside from that, I wasn't digging the shower nearly as much as I did on 4-AcO-DET, and actually found myself wishing I had just stayed in bed instead to enjoy what I could have gotten out of the meditating or something. So, without much further ado, I finished up my shower and made my way back to the bedroom.
When I was lying down in the dark, I knew that the trip wasn't going to be strong enough by this point to push me into any sort of crazy out-of-body experiences, and very likely might never have been, but I still could see from staring at walls that there was some very real activity going on. So, I decided to grab my light and sound machine that I had just recently gotten back from a friend who had kept it for at least a couple of years and see if it could bring anything out of this experience. I used to use this thing all the time, and have achieved some pretty amazing visionary effects from it both sober and during altered states. Mostly I stick to using the flashing LED lights though, the audio beats are kind of distracting to me. I had actually just tried this thing again for the first time a couple of days ago while smoking cannabis in the dark, and I had been pretty blown away by it. I used to use this thing a lot for meditation and as I mentioned in another report, I used to use cannabis for that a lot as well. Having just not that long ago actually achieved a white light out-of-body experience while meditating on just cannabis for the first time after not practicing again for years, I thought that this mind machine could only take me to even crazier places.
Back when I used to do that meditation a lot, one thing I noticed was that there was an effect that would start to come into play whenever I managed to distort my body image enough to the point that I would start losing a proper sense of my place in the environment, and that would be that my perception would suddenly be flooded with shadowy figures of people moving around and overwhelming my sense of self. Many parts of the experience are ineffable and just beyond properly understanding without having experienced it, but the easiest way that I could say it is that it feels like the bodies I'm seeing are my own instead of my normal body, and I actually feel the personality of each person as being my own as well within their respective bodies. However, back when I used to get to this point years ago, it would just be quick flashes of people that I didn't have much control over, though they had a tendency to be female. It also wouldn't last more than a couple of seconds, and usually just amounted to a strange transient delirium. But then, when I had that out-of-body experience while meditating on cannabis, I found myself entering a space that felt similar but less overwhelming, and when I was in that environment I had complete control over the body I wanted to use, I could influence it completely with my mind. Though, I only had one body, and the environment was flaky at best. But, I knew that it was the same kind of mystical space that so many people take psychedelics to achieve, and which I have felt parts of on them before....
Anyway, as part of a series of personal revelations connected to that cannabis experience, I've started to realize that the kind of altered state I enjoy by far the most is the delirium that accompanies my sensory overload experiences
the kind of altered state I enjoy by far the most is the delirium that accompanies my sensory overload experiences
. Actually, I've known this in some ways for a long time, but it's been giving me a new perspective on it. This thought was what led me to really want to get back my mind machine from my friend since then, and what got me to actually try meditating again while high and wearing it the other night. As I've been practicing since that experience, I managed to get myself pretty easily back into this meditative state that allowed my body to be distorted on cannabis, and this time the flashing light patterns created by the LEDs behind my closed eyelids pushed the shadowy people effect all the way up to a pretty sturdy level of vividness; it still wasn't to the level of like seeing it with my eyes, but it was almost at that point, like a mind's eye vision that's just waiting to burst through into reality. I didn't go completely out-of-body for it this time like I did before, and there was no white light to push me there, but I was able to experience the sensory overload delirium just as much as I had before, but not extra.
Almost out of nowhere, I suddenly felt myself actually controlling four or five bodies at once, all female, and all of the bodies were having sex with a different male at the same time. Since I felt all of these bodies as my own simultaneously, it felt pretty intense to say the least, but again, I wasn't completely immersed into this vision, just feeling it to an extent. It didn't last too long, but that is what made me realize just how powerful of a tool the combination of this machine, cannabis, and meditation can be... which is why my morning today ended up going like it did.
Back in bed on 4-AcO-MET, I ended up putting the machine on and setting the frequency of LED flashing to my favorite level, 7.8 Hz. In my experience so far, 4-HO-MET and 4-AcO-MET have provided the most powerful and lucid feelings of sensory overload of any psychedelic I've yet tried, so I was pretty interested to see what adding it into this mix could provoke. Within a minute or so of putting the glasses on, I was already becoming overwhelmed by the flashing shadow people, but this time, the people were extremely vivid. Once again though, this experience never got above the level of feeling like extremely strong mind's eye visions, but I know that it would have if the dose was higher, and may even have if I had just waited more than a week since my previous trip. But, in any case, since all I could see was the flashing madness behind my eyelids, I was pretty immersed into these visuals regardless.
The people, like with my experience the other night, were no longer simply all random but were in fact quite controllable, though there were still the rare odd ones in there. Mostly though, they consisted of females both real and imaginary wearing extremely realistic and sexualized outfits constantly expressing a variety of emotions at once; the center of my focus would most often be only one or two people, but there was such a large number of shadow figures moving around that I would actually see that same person or two in all of them, and that would be how I would experiencing several different aspects of their personality at once. Like my out-of-body experience on cannabis, the people would also if left around stick mostly to people who I find to be sexually attractive in a way that I like to express my own sexuality, or I could actually guide them with my imagination and summon up literally anyone I chose.
This process continued to go deeper and deeper the longer I let myself sink into it, and that's when it really started to feel like I was touching the divine. Though a lot of the details have escaped me now, especially because of the flashing lights, I was undoubtedly getting the most powerful visions of my life at this point, the kind of things I had always expected from DMT but have never been able to reach, just really massive and organic patterns and designs beyond my explanation. At the same time, the mental effect was starting to become extremely intense because I basically felt like I was controlling an extremely large number of bodies at once and experiencing several emotions for each of them simultaneously in addition having the bodies in question changing from one to the next quite rapidly, all while still being completely within my control, so obviously it's a heavy experience. The level of detail that I was experiencing and creating is nearly impossible to describe, but probably the best way I could do it would be to say that the trip reminded me more so like vaporized DMT in intensity than anything else I've experienced by far, but if the entire trip actually had both a natural and synthetic feeling and the emotion of the trip was completely and utterly about pushing hedonism to its maximum possible point. I basically just let myself go into it as much as humanly possible, but eventually I felt the trip starting to come down a little bit, and by then I was pretty spent and just decided to take of the glasses and relax in bed for a few minutes.
By that point, most of the trip was pretty much starting to fade away, especially without all the sensory stimulation. Unfortunately I never payed close attention to the time at any major point during the experience, but I would feel pretty confident in saying that it was between T+1:00 and T+1:30 that most of the hallucinogenic effects really dissolved into nothing. Though, notably quite unlike vaporizing 4-AcO-DET for me, I did have a remaining stimulation and extra sensitivity to sensory stimuli similar to oral 4-AcO-MET or 4-HO-MET for the next hour or two after the rest of the effects were gone, which was incredibly nice for just lying outside under the sun and listening to nature in the afterglow. Once that finally disappeared as well, I was completely back to baseline with no lingering side effects other than some mild head tension, which is quite common for me after psychedelics especially if sensory overload plays a significant role, so I would say it was pretty physically easygoing overall.
Like with 4-AcO-DET, I would definitely, definitely vaporize this regularly if I could get the perfect technique down, I just don't wouldn't want to waste any material because currently the effects I'm getting from vaporizing seem less potent than oral effects by weight, which obviously means I'm messing something up. From now on, I doubt I'll use the sandwich method anymore, even with cannabis.... Next time I intend to use a vapor genie for sure, then we'll see what these wonderful tryptamines can really do! I can only imagine what a breakthrough dose of this would have been like, and I have complete faith that one would be easily reachable if I had enough material. I would also like to work with either the freebase or a better salt than fumarate for vaporizing if there is one, lots of experimentation to be done....
So, that about wrapped this experience up. Honestly, I would have to say that this was one of my favorite drug experiences of all time, but that doesn't really surprise me. I've been experimenting a lot with 4-substituted tryptamines lately, and as far as the argument of the acetate esters versus the indolols goes, I think I've pretty much come into my personal belief that though there is a definite difference in the experiences which probably comes down to a difference in pharmacokinetics and ratios of peripheral versus central serotonin receptor activation, but ultimately, I would bet that it's the same molecule (i.e., the indolol, whether directly or through metabolism) which is causing the psychedelic effects. I now feel extra assured of this from the fact that I found this experience with 4-AcO-MET, at that sensory overload delirium level, to be completely interchangeable in a psychedelic sense with an equipotent dose of 4-HO-MET, the one difference being that it had the intensity of DMT likely from being vaporized instead of taken orally. And considering that 4-HO-MET is one of my favorite psychedelics ever, this is a pretty wonderful thing for me.
Now it's a little under seven hours since initially dosing and I'm feeling great but just ready to relax for as much of the rest of the day as I possibly can, so I think I'll end up the trip report here. I'm definitely looking forward to further experiences with this wonderful molecule, and as always, stay safe my fellow travelers!
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