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Physically Active, Mentally Calm
BZP & TFMPP
by Delf
Citation:   Delf. "Physically Active, Mentally Calm: An Experience with BZP & TFMPP (exp5010)". Erowid.org. Feb 6, 2001. erowid.org/exp/5010

 
DOSE:
100 mg oral Piperazines - BZP (powder / crystals)
  20 mg oral Piperazines - TFMPP (powder / crystals)

BODY WEIGHT: 155 lb


Having the evening off from work, and just having come across some of the more well-known piperazines, I decided to give 100 mg of BZP a try along with a bit of TFMPP. I had tried 100 mg of TFMPP alone in the past, but it left me feeling like I had been slightly poisoned, and I was hoping the BZP would provide a nice, synergistic effect. Not exactly looking for an MDMA substitute, but actually excited to try something new for a change...

The previous week offered negligible emotional and physical difficulty, and with no recent use of entheogens or medications at all, I measured 100 mg of BZP and threw it in a gelcap; put 20 mg of TFMPP in another. (Still had to be convinced that the TFMPP was worthwhile.) Downed the combo with water at around 7pm; by 8:15 the old reliable stomach was rumbling. I was quite glad I had not eaten since noon. Half a rice cake

By 9pm (T+2) I was in quite a comfortable place... music sounded good and thoughts flowed freely, although my hands were FREEZING like the arctic winter. I called up my best friend K and she talked me through things a bit. Only a trace of anxiety, slowly giving way to a calm, surging, God-like feeling... the comeup was not nearly the same as TFMPP by itself. That, in my humble opinion, not fun.

10pm (T+3) and I am flying. Physically active, mentally calm, hands freezing, and monumental thirst. I'm still on the phone--friend noticed that my voice had dropped considerably. Thinking back, I don't think I could have pulled myself together entirely for, say, a business transaction or conversation with a family member. Good thing I was alone. But I wish some others had been around... maybe next time.

All in all, I had a very good time with this combo. Perhaps I am conservative but I don't think a higher dose would have added much, but to each his or her own. I don't usually sit around and dose by myself for fear of paranoia, but there wasn't much here at all. I didn't get to sleep until 5am (T+9), but what did I expect? For those who like to make comparisons, the BZP/TFMPP combo in this dosage range provided many of the same impressive characteristics as would a low to average dose of speedy MDMA, with a slight bit of trippiness and a few extra body symptoms included. (These could be unnerving to inexperienced users.) But the musical and somatic effects were there. As was the second-day-after depression, and also a slight but persistent next-day headache, curable by healthy doses of fruit juice and sleep.

Be safe and have fun, and take care of yourself...

Exp Year: 2001ExpID: 5010
Gender: Male 
Age at time of experience: Not Given 
Published: Feb 6, 2001Views: 23,092
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