Citation: RR. "Lord of the Dance: An Experience with 4-HO-MET, Methamphetamine & Phenibut (exp113757)". Erowid.org. Nov 16, 2019. erowid.org/exp/113757
I decided to experiment with this combination because I've been trying to find a combination of substances to take at a rave setting that is similar to MDMA, but can be taken more often.
I've been trying to find a combination of substances to take at a rave setting that is similar to MDMA, but can be taken more often.
I am very experienced with psychedelics and MDMA, not much experience with meth, but do have a lot of experience with regular amphetamines. Previous to this, I had rolled 4 days ago on MDA + MDMA, which I then followed up with a 2-day meth binge, although it was 3 days without sleep due to residual stimulation. I had been supplementing with 5-HTP, Mucuna Pruriens, N-Acetyl Cysteine, Vitamin D, Multivitamin, and Fish Oil since the second day of the meth binge, after my last dose. I had also been sick, with some kind of virus, for the week prior and leading up to this, although I finally started to feel normal again, though with excess mucus on the day of this experience. So that may have played a part in this experience.
T + 0:00 -- 7:00 PM
I take 2g of phenibut, to allow time for it to kick in before heading to the event. I had eaten 1 hour prior.
T + 1:00 -- 8:00 PM
I take a shower and start putting on my costume. (it's halloween)
I definitely begin to feel the effects of the phenibut in the shower; lessened anxiety.
T + 2:00 -- 9:00 PM
I weigh out 15mg of methamphetamine into a gel capsule and take it. I was told this was "ice"--dextro-methamphetamine, as opposed to the racemic form. I take 10mg of 4-HO-MET (half of a 20mg tablet, small, circular and purple sourced from an online vendor--I have taken these many times before and believe it to be 4-HO-MET). I get in my car and start driving to the event.
Driving while intoxicated, tripping, or extremely sleep deprived is dangerous and irresponsible because it endangers other people. Don't do it!]
T + 2:30 -- 9:30 PM
I arrive at the event and park. During the drive over, I have a bit of anxiety about the meth potentiating the psychedelic effects of the 4-HO-MET, especially visuals, especially while I am driving. I feel the typical uncomfortable come up effects of the 4-HO-MET: for me, feeling like I have to poop, and a little bit of introspection/confusion. I wait in line, and it's quite cold outside.
T + 3:00 -- 10:00 PM
I definitely feel the effects of the methamphetamine at this point. I've been walking around the venue (a large "museum" with several stages) to get my bearings. I don't quite have my "dancing shoes" on yet; I'm still a little nervous, and the shoes I'm wearing are also new and their bottoms don't have much traction yet since they are clean. I take in the sites of a typical rave and have a few quick encounters with people. I decide on the one of the stages as having the best music for dancing and go there to dance. I'm definitely experiencing some closed eye visuals, as well as increased color brightness and saturation with my eyes open. I do feel the typical 4-HO-MET headspace and feelings of unity/warmth. At this dose, the meth isn't particularly euphoric, but it is highly stimulating.
At this dose, the meth isn't particularly euphoric, but it is highly stimulating.
T + 4:00 -- 11:00 PM
I stop for a water break. I decide to take the other half of the 4-HO-MET pill, 10mg. I'm not feeling very pronounced psychedelic effects, and I was hoping for more, as it tends to be a conversation/sociability enhancer.
T + 5:00 -- 12:00 AM
I dance for the entire time. I am quite sweaty, but it is also cold/there are fans in parts of the venue, so I'm able to cool off easily.
The rave at this venue ends, but there is an afterparty. The coat check is not very organized, and there's a huge line. I talk with some people as I move up the line to get my coat. Once I get my coat, I walk back to my car and drive over to the afterparty, which is at a nightclub.
T + 5:30 - 8:00 -- 12:30 AM - 3:00 AM
I get to the nightclub, wait in line, get in. I am quite stimulated, and I wind up dancing for literally the entire time, only stopping to drink two bottles of water once. Though I don't feel particularly thirsty or hungry or tired. I just want to take proper care of myself. I get really sweaty, but the venue is well-cooled. I'm a good dancer normally and pretty confident, but on this combination, I was killing it on the dance floor. People keep coming up to me to dance, or compliment me on my outfit, girls keep talking to me. However, I did not feel particularly social. I didn't feel the usual wanting to talk to people for extended periods like I do on MDMA, nor do I feel much empathy. I would say I generally viewed people trying to talk to me or have long conversations as an interruption. Several people note that I have been dancing literally the entire time; and I'm sure it was easy to notice because I'm wearing a very noticeable outfit. I finally run into someone I know, and we dance together. She's an exceptional dancer, but I definitely hold my own. I am all smiles with people; but it's not the forced smiling of MDMA. I have to make a cognitive effort to remember to smile, or my face is one of determination. I chew a lot of gum. I'm not particularly horny at any point. I find both methamphetamine and phenibut to strongly enhance my libido; and MDMA definitely enhances it, but I don't feel any strong desires this time.
T + 8:00 -- 3:00 AM
The DJ's set ends and the club closes. I was going to stay around trying to talk to people, but I decide to just head home. I say goodbye to the girl I was dancing with earlier, and I actually get the impression that she wants to go home with me. However, she has a lot of other friends around, and I don't really want to wait around, so I wind up leaving. I drive home.
T + 8:30 -- 3:30 AM
I arrive home. I wind up texting the girl from before, and then hopping in the shower, because wow, I am sweaty. I still don't feel very tired. I feel as if the effects of the 4-HO-MET have increased at this point; perhaps the meth was interfering. I wind up crying for a bit in the shower. I'm not sure if it was because I'm feeling lonely, as I went to the event totally alone, hardly talked to anyone, and I totally just texted the girl from before basically asking her out, and now I'm feeling embarassed about it. I realized before today that I have feelings for this girl, and I did get the impression she has feelings for me. I guess I just felt like I was an idiot, and I'm scared to put myself out there. Not sure if these realizations/thoughts were a product of the meth comedown or perhaps introspection from 4-HO-MET or a combination of both. I dry off and decide to watch a movie, as I'm still very awake. The girl hasn't texted back.
T + 9:00 -- 4:00 AM
The girl texts back, and says she does want to go on a date. I can't tell you how happy I was to hear that.
T + 11:00 -- 6:00 AM
I am finally starting to feel pretty drowsy and I drift off to sleep. I fall asleep until around 3PM.
T + 18:00 -- 3:00 PM
I wake up, and still don't feel very hungry, although I realize that I am. I order some food and force myself to eat it, but only get halfway through.
T + 21:00 -- 6:00 PM
I finally feel as if the effects of the methamphetamine have completely worn off. I am hungry enough now to eat the rest of the meal from earlier.
** CONCLUSION **
In comparison to MDMA, I felt the following:
-Less desire to socialize
-More desire to dance
-Less affection and sociability enhancement
-Less libido enhancement
-Less feelings of thirst, hunger, or tiredness
-Closed eye visuals and more color enhancement
-Roughly equal amount of music appreciation, although I "felt" the music less, in the physical sense
I'm not sure I would do this combination again, as the methamphetamine kept me up for a long time, much longer than desired
the methamphetamine kept me up for a long time, much longer than desired
. I also did not enjoy not being able to eat, and having to even force down water. I didn't feel a huge desire to redose, but it also wasn't a very big dose of meth. I'm always wary of redosing stimulants, as that tends to turn into a binge. (especially meth) Perhaps my state going into this reduced the euphoria I felt, or I still had a meth tolerance.
I think if I did this again, I would consider adding more 4-HO-MET to the mix. I think the meth dose was just right. Maybe I'd go up to 20mg.
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