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Too Far
4-AcO-DMT & Syrian Rue
by Oliveuptop
Citation:   Oliveuptop. "Too Far: An Experience with 4-AcO-DMT & Syrian Rue (exp110746)". Dec 12, 2017.

T+ 0:00
  seeds oral Syrian Rue (tea)
  T+ 0:20 70 mg oral 4-AcO-DMT  
  T+ 0:00     Cannabis  


Too Far With MAOI and 4aco

After having a handful of enjoyable experiences with what is considered a 'strong' dose of 4aco, I decided to push it a little more and up my dose from 50 to 70mg. I also used Syrian Rue (P. Harmala) an MAOI I have had success with in the past with Psilocybin.

I made a tea with less than an eighth gram of seeds, and 20 minutes after drinking the tea I ingested the 4aco orally. The effects hit me relatively quickly, after only about 20 minutes. The first thing I noticed was a gradual lightening of my surroundings, as if someone had faded all the colors around me. Then I began to have auditory distortion, and the sounds around me increased greatly. I was sitting in a cafeteria and had to remove myself because the noises were scary. Even in the forest, I couldn't shake a feeling of fear as my trip came on strongly. My heart was beating very quickly. I suggested to my friend that we return to the building where I live in order to be in a more secure environment. I remember telling him I felt 'so alive' and laughing uncontrollably.

Once inside, my visuals were very intense. The walls and ceiling didn't line up, everything seemed askew and vivid, with an intricate overlay of kaleidiscope geometric outlines. Despite this beautiful and intriguing display, I couldn't sit still to enjoy it. I felt like I had to remain on the move in order to stay safe. I was tripping so much that I apologized to my friend and explained that I thought I needed to go to my room and lay down alone for a bit to calm down. Bad idea. Once alone in my bed, the worst part of my trip began. I was laying on my side listening to music, and much of the time I could not tell if my eyes were open or closed. I remember feeling 'stuck,' like I wanted to walk somewhere or move or even just open my eyes but I just lay motionless. Phrases and images would get stuck in my head and play on repeat. Songs I usually enjoy sounded demonic and slow. I managed to get to the bathroom at one point, and I remember I had snot and tears pouring down my face uncontrollably. My head hurt like a splitting migraine.

I was texting my partner to come help me, but part of me felt shameful to have taken it so far as they had previously advised I back off on hallucinogens. I wouldn't tell them where I was. I thought people could read my thoughts, and I would think of things I wanted to keep secret or actions I was ashamed of, and then freak out because I thought people could hear me thinking. Back in my room, I remember thinking I was never going to come down. I thought I was going to die.

I don't know how long this terror and confusion lasted but it felt like hours. At long last (I would guess 1.5 or 2 hours after I came up) my partner rescued me and we smoked weed which helped tremendously. I still felt very high (duh) but the fear and pain had subsided. I could finally wonder at the emotional and visual effects and enjoy them. Even though I didn't return to the same bad place during that trip, I still had instances of feeling 'stuck' and generally was just wishing to be sober the entire time.

All in all the trip lasted about 10 hours. After I came down, I felt very relieved and exhausted. I do not recommend taking this much 4aco, especially if you have not experimented with higher doses before, and not paired with an MAO inhibitor. And not alone.

Exp Year: 2017ExpID: 110746
Gender: Female 
Age at time of experience: 19 
Published: Dec 12, 2017Views: 1,636
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