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Trials of the Deep End
Deschloroketamine & Cannabis
by Mirlives
Citation:   Mirlives. "Trials of the Deep End: An Experience with Deschloroketamine & Cannabis (exp107715)". Erowid.org. Jan 24, 2016. erowid.org/exp/107715

 
DOSE:
T+ 0:00
50 mg sublingual Deschloroketamine (powder / crystals)
  T+ 1:00 50 mg sublingual Deschloroketamine (powder / crystals)
  T+ 0:00   repeated smoked Cannabis  
  T+ 4:00 30 mg sublingual Deschloroketamine (powder / crystals)
  T+ 7:00 15 mg insufflated 2C-C (powder / crystals)
  T+ 24:00 100 mg rectal Deschloroketamine  

BODY WEIGHT: 170 lb


Let's Talk Deschloroketamine

This is a mixture of analysis of the drug, two trip reports, and a comparison between it and other RC dissos.

Intro
This weekend I completed my first trials with this drug. I am a big fan of MXE (if you can't tell) and have been eagerly searching for its replacement. I've also tried 3-meo-pcp, DXM, MXM, MXP, ketamine, and have plans to try Diphenidine and Ephenidine but have not yet.

Over the last two days I've taken roughly a quarter gram of the stuff and feel I have a good sense of its effects relative to the others.

The most succinct way I think I can put it is (MXE)-(3-meo-pcp) = (DXE)

So DXE can be an MXE replacement depending on what you liked about MXE. MXE was a mixture of manic and sedating properties. 3-meo-pcp is very manic, DXE on the other hand is very sedating. It's the type of drug you take and sit back and watch a movie on, not the type you go to a party on.

My experiences:
Day 1
On saturday myself and another researcher dosed up around 5 or 6 at night. He took 30mg, I took 50mg (both sublingual). He has no real disso tolerance but has experienced MXE, and 3-meo-pcp. I on the other hand have a pretty big tolerance to dissos at this point, and can plug 100mg of MXE without holing. I'll get close but I won't get there. I followed my 50mg with another 50mg an hour and half later.

After taking it we flipped on his projector and begin watching all that is weird on youtube, chilling on the couch. He starts feeling it twenty to thirty minutes in. I'm not really but I'm going to wait a bit before I redose just in case. Hour or so later I've added another 50 and we've both taken a few bong rips. Then everything starts to hit me. For whatever reason it can take until I smoke weed to really feel like I took whatever disso.

The effects were put well by someone else on reddit. 'MXE in concrete'. Unlike some dissos there's no energetic component. You just sort of sit there with no real urge to get up and do things. MXE had a weird thing where people would be compelled to stand and stretch. That's not really a thing here. What it does have from MXE is that looseness of conversation you can get with other people. A bit like being drunk, where you just feel super connected to the other person and feel like you can talk about anything. That was honestly one of my favorite things about MXE, the way the conversations would go. Anyway my buddy and me just shot the shit for hours talking about life, and the many problems we have in it. The day before he'd had an intense acid experience he was still analyzing so a lot of the conversation was continuation from the night before.

A few hours in I remembered I'd promised to show up at another dude's party a few miles away. We took an uber, still talking except now by our phones so the driver wouldn't realize how fucked up we were. It had been about 3 or 4 hours from initial dosage this point, and the effects were less strong then they had been.

On the way to the party I stopped at someone's house who I owed money to, paid him, smoked some weed with them. The weed brought the stuff right back, and left us staggering up the last few blocks to the party.

3-meo-pcp is probably the best suited for social interaction, as when I got to the party things got sort of weird. I'm shy at the best of times, being in a social situation with a bunch of drunk other misc fucked up people was sort of weird. During the party my friend and myself but redosed another 30mg.

Later in the night we were pretty fucked up. I lost the ability to talk (common with weed for me) but I managed to get us a ride home. When we got back, my buddy passed out, and I hung out with my ride and snorted some 2c-c. Low dose but I figured they'd mix well. It was 1 am at that point and I kept going for another 3 or so hours talking powered by 2c-c before falling asleep around 4:30.

Day 2
The next night I was home alone and figured I'd shoot for a hole. I've experienced the Mhole and khole a few times, and the 3hole just once. I loaded up 100mg of DXE and plugged it. I had my vape loaded and ready to go. Here's some highlights from the first two hours of notes (I stopped taking notes after 2 hours).

First hour or so it was kicking in, I could feel it around the edges, got some residual visuals from the 2c-c. After the first hour I vaped, and things kicked into high gear.

From the notes:
T1:13 Clearly disso'd
T1:33 Woww has it only been an hour MXE in concrete is a good description
T1:40 MXE made weeds stimulent properties apperent. DXE makes weeds tiredproperties hgiher
T1:45 The eeyore of dissos
T1:52 Time dilation is very extreme

After this my notes end because I wasn't in front of the computer that contained them. Over the rest of the night I just sort of existed. Was too tired to really do anything, and was quite content to just stare and think about things. Ended up doing another vape trench and another 50mg of the stuff, this time snorted. Come up was stupid long for that, or at least it felt that way.

When I tried to sleep though things got weird. I was super tired. I'll be honest my sleep habits have been shit due to a lot of modafinil usage in the last week. I was super tired. The thing is dissos do something strange to me when I get tired. The only way I can describe it is part of my brain goes to sleep and starts dreaming the rest does not. So here it is 3 or 4 am, and I'm still really out of it. I start hearing other voices, or more accurately fragments of them. According to them I need to catch up on sleep an listen to my body more, which I intend to do. Since I wasn't sleeping and my brain was acting sort of weird I stimulated it with reddit as I yawned and was super tired. I crashed around 5 or 6 am. Woke up a around 1 and then wrote this.

So there are my trials of the deep end of this stuff. I feel like I have a pretty good sense of this stuff is and feels like.

Conclusion
My recommendations are the following:
ROA: Sublingual or plugged. Stuff isn't that bad tasting, worse then MXE but better then 3-meo-pcp. It wasn't that bad snorted, didn't make my nose feel weird like 3-meo-pcp does but I feel like it's weaker that ROA.
Dose: About equivalent to MXE I'd say it's slightly weaker. Even 100mg plugged I didn't really get close to what I'd call a hole. I'll rerun a trial later for that.
Setting: This stuff isn't really an energetic drug. It's great if you want to chill and watch a movie, not so great if you want the manic components of a disso. I can see this being a great drug post rolling or psychedelic experience to sort of chill and organize your thoughts. Conversation was great, way more self analytical then 3-meo-pcp, closer to MXE.

I really also want to try a combo of this and 3-meo-pcp and see where it puts me.

Exp Year: 2016ExpID: 107715
Gender: Male 
Age at time of experience: 23 
Published: Jan 24, 2016Views: 9,714
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