Citation: Iggy. "Nice and Easy: An Experience with 4-Fluoroamphetamine (exp106821)". Erowid.org. Sep 10, 2015. erowid.org/exp/106821
After having a depressing comedown after doing MDMA 2.5 weeks ago I decided I wanted to look into alternatives. 4-FA was the standout contender because it had the desired qualities I was looking for. It was theoretically less neurotoxic than E, longer lasting, and combined both stimulant and empathogenic qualities.
T+0hrs: So upon testing the 4-FA and confirming that is what it actually was, my friend and I each bombed 115mg. The recreational range is generally considered to be between about 100-180mg if you are looking for euphoric feelings. Lesser doses mostly result in positive moodlift and stimulation. Our predose regiment consisted of taking tums to makes our stomachs more basic (helps in the absorption of amphetamines), magnesium (helps reduce jaw tension), Vitamin C (an antioxidant which should theoretically reduce neurotoxicity in serotonergic drugs), and a mutlivitamin (contains a little bit of all the above along with Vitamin E which is another antioxidant).
We are at a friend's party where everyone is drinking and no one knows we just popped 4-FA. The people would be cool about it but we wanted to see if we could pass off as normal. Also it's not that fun to have people pestering you about being on drugs all night. We are both in good mindsets although I am a little nervous about experiencing another comedown from using a serotonergic drug so close after molly.
T+30mins: My body is beginning to feel warm and my mood is definitely enhanced. I'm smiling and talking to people. Normally I'm not the most extroverted guy, but the 4-FA definitely made me more at ease and talking with everyone was a lot of fun. My buddy said it felt like everything turned up a notch. Music sounded better, conversations were more intriguing, and there was more mental clarity.
T+1hr: We are both definitely feeling it at this point. My body feels amazing and I'm just very happy in general. My friend said he felt a lot of buzzing, like he had energy vibrating through his body. Talking to people is so much fun but so is listening to people. The best part is we could totally pass for sober. We're not E-tarded confessing deep love to people, and we're not coked out itching to ramble on about anything. My friend noted that he felt it would have been much more obvious if we were drunk or stoned and I'd have to 100% agree. Honestly very clear headed, just feel amazing and comfortable. There is no moment where you just realize you're rolling like with molly, it just slowly builds up and is a nice comfortable ride throughout.
T+2-4hr: We are both doing very well. Tactile sensations are great. I have this habit of rubbing my head on molly because it feels so good and it is very much similar on 4-FA. We are playing drinking games and having great conversations with people. We were feeling GREAT and conversation came easy and naturally. No spilling of deep personal feelings or overly-empathetic reactions or anything like that, we were very much in control, but just enjoying the time. Music sounded great on it too and we were definitely guilty of bobbing to the beats of songs as they came on but there was no irresistible urge to dance or anything as no one else was really dancing.
T+4-8hrs: The euphoria is gone but our moods are still very pleasant. We have energy and at this point are just going along with the party. We pop Vitamin C throughout the night to keep up our antioxidant levels. Also I should mention that for the most part we avoid drinking anything but water, but a couple beers on the comedown were pretty nice.
T+8hrs: Going to bed is difficult as well as sleeping, my mood is positive and I'm not vibrating with energy or anything but I just don't feel tired. Eventually I fall asleep around 5:00AM (8 hours after dosing). Sleep was pretty fitful.
T+12 hrs: Woke up feeling decent but just tired. Took some 5-HTP to help replenish my serotonin and went out to grab some coffee. After having some coffee and a bagel I felt much better. Hadn't eaten anything but chicken nuggets and some fries the previous night. We went to the beach afterward and it was beautiful, there was a nice afterglow and no sign of depression or feeling low on serotonin. However, I was still pretty tired from getting little rest and sleeping on the ground.
T+24 hrs: It's been a full day since dropping and I still feel pretty good. I know if this had been molly I would be feeling pretty depressed right about now, but that doesn't seem to be the case with this.
Several days later I have experienced no comedown or negative feelings like sometimes happen with molly when you get the 'Tuesday Blues'.
All in all 4-FA was a great experience and it was everything I hoped it would be. MDMA is still the king of the empathogens, but for a night of partying, I'd much prefer 4-FA. It's longer lasting, I can function clearly and normally while still getting much of the same great feelings MDMA offers, and it's a very smooth ride up and down. It seems to effect everyone differently as I've read some who were disappointed with it or dosed more than we did and got very little euphoria. For example I actually thought at one point in the night that it felt exactly like molly, but my friend said to him it felt more like adderall with some mdma like qualities. I will also add neither of us have any amphetamine tolerance. All in all it was a great time with a great drug and I very much look forward to doing it again.
TL;DR: Great party drug, lots of similarities with MDMA, longer lasting, more energy, smoother ride, and theoretically less neurotoxic. 5/5
COPYRIGHTS: All reports are copyright Erowid and you agree not to download or analyze the report data without contacting Erowid Center and receiving permission first.
Experience Reports are the writings and opinions of the individual authors who submit them.
Some of the activities described are dangerous and/or illegal and none are recommended by Erowid Center.