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	<description>Psychedelic Musings from the Center of the Universe</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We say that there are “pages” on the Internet and “folders” on our computers, when in reality there are just a bunch of ones and zeros. When you run the programs made up of the ones and zeros, and perceive those running programs through a human sensorium looking at a screen, you experience something vaguely isomorphic to old-school paper pages and files.&quot;

I love this part. And if you think about it even MORE, we are all just atoms. As one astronomer said on a history (or maybe discover) channel special, &quot;We are all born from the stars. We&#039;re connected to everything in the universe. I think that&#039;s pretty cool.&quot; One time, when I was younger and hadn&#039;t been on a plane in several years, especially not a tiny one like the one we were getting on, I calmed my nerves by telling myself &quot;Air is just atoms stacked upon atoms. We&#039;re riding up there along the atoms.&quot; I&#039;m not scared of flying anymore, in fact I love it dearly and it gives me a peace of sense of calmness and wonder and awe that nothing else can, but one of my favorite things is when you get above a big, fluffy cloud cover. It feels like there is no way you could fall from the sky because you have this huge cushion underneath you. It breaks my heart to hear about plane crashes because it&#039;s such a magical thing  to me that a failure is just devastating. It feels like prince charming in the fairie-tale just got murdered and there&#039;s magical way to bring him back to life. Anyway, went off track a little there. Great column ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We say that there are “pages” on the Internet and “folders” on our computers, when in reality there are just a bunch of ones and zeros. When you run the programs made up of the ones and zeros, and perceive those running programs through a human sensorium looking at a screen, you experience something vaguely isomorphic to old-school paper pages and files.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love this part. And if you think about it even MORE, we are all just atoms. As one astronomer said on a history (or maybe discover) channel special, &#8220;We are all born from the stars. We&#8217;re connected to everything in the universe. I think that&#8217;s pretty cool.&#8221; One time, when I was younger and hadn&#8217;t been on a plane in several years, especially not a tiny one like the one we were getting on, I calmed my nerves by telling myself &#8220;Air is just atoms stacked upon atoms. We&#8217;re riding up there along the atoms.&#8221; I&#8217;m not scared of flying anymore, in fact I love it dearly and it gives me a peace of sense of calmness and wonder and awe that nothing else can, but one of my favorite things is when you get above a big, fluffy cloud cover. It feels like there is no way you could fall from the sky because you have this huge cushion underneath you. It breaks my heart to hear about plane crashes because it&#8217;s such a magical thing  to me that a failure is just devastating. It feels like prince charming in the fairie-tale just got murdered and there&#8217;s magical way to bring him back to life. Anyway, went off track a little there. Great column ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Cee Are</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cee Are</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally really enjoy your writings &amp; admire that they are unusually well felt, thought &amp; written. This time I must disagree, not with your &quot;official stance&quot; , nor even with much of your reasoning. Certainly not with the wit &amp; humor you imbue all your writings with. Rather I disagree with your use of a &#039;bully pulpit&#039; to negate experiences, which you would rather not integrate, simply ascribing them as being beyond your current capacity for understanding the bewildering ontological complexity of lifting the veil of perception. I object simply because your default position may encourage others to not attempt comprehension, &amp; thus reduce the amount of valuable insight into non-ordinate means of direct apprehension of other realities.

You are quite welcome to disbelieve your augmented senses, if you feel safer or saner doing so, but be aware the experience was never contained in the substance, ritual, pattern, chant, breathwork, binding or other methodologies of altering the culturally embedded consciousness  filters by which our brains discard 9\10ths of the realities always around us. As distraction &amp; direct perception of the superluminal are not survival values. The experience is always in &amp; through the various aspects of self, &amp; that makes validation hard.

Yes it&#039;s easy to get lost in these non-mundane worlds, to mis -perceive what many have little practice (recently) in attributing qualities of coordinate realty to. It&#039;s disconcerting  to attune to frequencies of vibration which can &#039;feel&#039; wrong. Be very glad of friends willing to help even a little &amp; safeguard the way back.
 
We should all treasure those who can look &amp; see without differentiation, without assigning polarities to the bits we normally grasp of the totality. It is beyond contradiction that we cannot even be accepting of each other&#039;s experiences with otherness, while almost all ancient contacts are based on the altered perceptions of a few elite initiate proponents of solar or gaian or lunar deities, &amp; the means of alteration since concealed. We are supposed to accept that some &#039;beings&#039; saw some other &#039;beings&#039; some aeons ago, but not to inquire about how it was done. Yet we do know how now, often precisely what (insert choice) was used for (insert event).

Mystics, seers, magi, &amp; sages of all stripes &amp; dots throughout all aeons have complained of  numerous (insert slur for casual sacrament users) intruding upon their work in or vision of the &#039;other spheres&#039; called &#039;aether&#039;, &#039;maya&#039;, &#039;ghola&#039;, &#039;astral&#039;, or &#039;akashic&#039; (&amp; many others). How did they get there ? Why did they not seem to know where they were? Why could they not affect what they saw ? Why would they not just go away ? What could be done to prevent this ? Well, the &#039;intruders&#039; took different &#039;paths&#039; to various &#039;non-local dimensions&#039;, the same &#039;non-places&#039; the &#039;enlightened&#039; were accessing for their &#039;serious&#039; purposes !

What was done ?  Do we not already &#039;know&#039; ? Restrict access by the vast majority of inhabitants by restricting knowledge of the means of altering perceptual filters. Misdirect populations away from the concealed methods by distortion, false attribution of causality, hiding the plain truths in elaborate deceits. Construct multiple layers of &#039;anterooms&#039; &#039;around&#039; the &#039;other spheres&#039; filled with discarnate constructs acting as guardians, distractors, enticers, guides, daemons, aliens, deities, all sorts of strange attractors &amp; traps to ensnare the few who might discover &#039;far &amp; otherworldly realms&#039; . Offer the masses new diversions, create spectacles of competitive &amp; combative endevours, accentuate divisions, diminish nature. Offer dis-empowering &amp; disabling
potions &amp; dried plants, while condemning use &amp; attributing the deleterious effects of  the sedative &amp; somatic to all other sacraments &amp; plants. 

It&#039;s worth noting that almost all our initial knowledge of psychedelics, empathogens, entactogens, &amp; ethnogens comes to us from the &#039;healers&#039; of various indigenous cultures that survived western &#039;civilization&#039; or the records of those &#039;primitive&#039; cultures who did not. As well as the few brave souls who have explored beyond the bounds of what most accept as real. An instance that is not yet widely know is that the clairvoyant Edgar Cayce insisted that the foundation that was to continue his work maintain the availability of Oil of Sassafras, declaring it to be of vital importance in healing mankind in the future.

You&#039;re right Teafarie, it&#039;s not just an issue of psychedelics (manifesting the mind), it&#039;s much larger &amp; much more a piece of the whole we have yet to grasp in large numbers. We do need to learn how to talk about these large areas of the undefinable occluded unknown, without being assigned to the looney bin, or having our cognitive liberties truncated or our imaginations ridiculed by cultures conditioned to only accept concrete measurable experiences of limited senses with strict limits on sensibility. 

For myself, I don&#039;t believe in hallucinations, that is, I do not believe it is possible to see something that is not there, it is something &amp; it is somehow perceptible.  It is occurring somewhere in the fractured spectrum that we know parts of &amp; label  &#039;the electro-magnetic&#039;. Everything we know of matter &amp; energy vibrates at some frequency, has harmonics of other scales, has phase or perceptible form or imperceptible wave or particle characteristics. Everything pops in &amp; out of this &quot; reality &quot; on a inconstant basis. Our mere attention  alters these &#039;small&#039; quanta. Understanding is not beyond us, we do need finer sensitivities &amp; more acceptance of the non-dual probabilities of non - static &amp; synchronous creation.

I love that  if you may have seen Yoda &amp; known it for a subcultural referent you were imposing upon an incomprehensible manifestation.  But not &#039;real&#039; ? For centuries the great literary works of many authors were consider as &#039;real&#039; as the scope of the readers&#039; invocation of their imagination. Some insist that mass belief creates parallel worlds. Which begs the question, did today&#039;s consensus reality get so bad from a lack of imagination &amp; positive intentionality ? Or was it constant distraction of imposed nightmare scenarios ?

Great mantis story ! Next time you encounter one IRL, try communicating a visual image of, or just show it a 2D projection of the E8 Lie group, that is a graphic representation of a mathematical model of a polytope that lives in eight dimensions. It looks a bit like a very complex mandala done by a very intricate spirograph. The original was hand drawn back in the 60&#039;s by Peter McMullen &amp; not capable of being rendered even partially by modern supercomputers (which are not analogous to human brains) until recently (M.I.T.) Anyhow, you just might get an answer, if it&#039;s really an alien ambassador ! 

Write On !  I may be small &amp; contain only certain numbers, but I salute your voyaging !  +Cee Are  ~~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally really enjoy your writings &amp; admire that they are unusually well felt, thought &amp; written. This time I must disagree, not with your &#8220;official stance&#8221; , nor even with much of your reasoning. Certainly not with the wit &amp; humor you imbue all your writings with. Rather I disagree with your use of a &#8216;bully pulpit&#8217; to negate experiences, which you would rather not integrate, simply ascribing them as being beyond your current capacity for understanding the bewildering ontological complexity of lifting the veil of perception. I object simply because your default position may encourage others to not attempt comprehension, &amp; thus reduce the amount of valuable insight into non-ordinate means of direct apprehension of other realities.</p>
<p>You are quite welcome to disbelieve your augmented senses, if you feel safer or saner doing so, but be aware the experience was never contained in the substance, ritual, pattern, chant, breathwork, binding or other methodologies of altering the culturally embedded consciousness  filters by which our brains discard 9\10ths of the realities always around us. As distraction &amp; direct perception of the superluminal are not survival values. The experience is always in &amp; through the various aspects of self, &amp; that makes validation hard.</p>
<p>Yes it&#8217;s easy to get lost in these non-mundane worlds, to mis -perceive what many have little practice (recently) in attributing qualities of coordinate realty to. It&#8217;s disconcerting  to attune to frequencies of vibration which can &#8216;feel&#8217; wrong. Be very glad of friends willing to help even a little &amp; safeguard the way back.</p>
<p>We should all treasure those who can look &amp; see without differentiation, without assigning polarities to the bits we normally grasp of the totality. It is beyond contradiction that we cannot even be accepting of each other&#8217;s experiences with otherness, while almost all ancient contacts are based on the altered perceptions of a few elite initiate proponents of solar or gaian or lunar deities, &amp; the means of alteration since concealed. We are supposed to accept that some &#8216;beings&#8217; saw some other &#8216;beings&#8217; some aeons ago, but not to inquire about how it was done. Yet we do know how now, often precisely what (insert choice) was used for (insert event).</p>
<p>Mystics, seers, magi, &amp; sages of all stripes &amp; dots throughout all aeons have complained of  numerous (insert slur for casual sacrament users) intruding upon their work in or vision of the &#8216;other spheres&#8217; called &#8216;aether&#8217;, &#8216;maya&#8217;, &#8216;ghola&#8217;, &#8216;astral&#8217;, or &#8216;akashic&#8217; (&amp; many others). How did they get there ? Why did they not seem to know where they were? Why could they not affect what they saw ? Why would they not just go away ? What could be done to prevent this ? Well, the &#8216;intruders&#8217; took different &#8216;paths&#8217; to various &#8216;non-local dimensions&#8217;, the same &#8216;non-places&#8217; the &#8216;enlightened&#8217; were accessing for their &#8216;serious&#8217; purposes !</p>
<p>What was done ?  Do we not already &#8216;know&#8217; ? Restrict access by the vast majority of inhabitants by restricting knowledge of the means of altering perceptual filters. Misdirect populations away from the concealed methods by distortion, false attribution of causality, hiding the plain truths in elaborate deceits. Construct multiple layers of &#8216;anterooms&#8217; &#8216;around&#8217; the &#8216;other spheres&#8217; filled with discarnate constructs acting as guardians, distractors, enticers, guides, daemons, aliens, deities, all sorts of strange attractors &amp; traps to ensnare the few who might discover &#8216;far &amp; otherworldly realms&#8217; . Offer the masses new diversions, create spectacles of competitive &amp; combative endevours, accentuate divisions, diminish nature. Offer dis-empowering &amp; disabling<br />
potions &amp; dried plants, while condemning use &amp; attributing the deleterious effects of  the sedative &amp; somatic to all other sacraments &amp; plants. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that almost all our initial knowledge of psychedelics, empathogens, entactogens, &amp; ethnogens comes to us from the &#8216;healers&#8217; of various indigenous cultures that survived western &#8216;civilization&#8217; or the records of those &#8216;primitive&#8217; cultures who did not. As well as the few brave souls who have explored beyond the bounds of what most accept as real. An instance that is not yet widely know is that the clairvoyant Edgar Cayce insisted that the foundation that was to continue his work maintain the availability of Oil of Sassafras, declaring it to be of vital importance in healing mankind in the future.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right Teafarie, it&#8217;s not just an issue of psychedelics (manifesting the mind), it&#8217;s much larger &amp; much more a piece of the whole we have yet to grasp in large numbers. We do need to learn how to talk about these large areas of the undefinable occluded unknown, without being assigned to the looney bin, or having our cognitive liberties truncated or our imaginations ridiculed by cultures conditioned to only accept concrete measurable experiences of limited senses with strict limits on sensibility. </p>
<p>For myself, I don&#8217;t believe in hallucinations, that is, I do not believe it is possible to see something that is not there, it is something &amp; it is somehow perceptible.  It is occurring somewhere in the fractured spectrum that we know parts of &amp; label  &#8216;the electro-magnetic&#8217;. Everything we know of matter &amp; energy vibrates at some frequency, has harmonics of other scales, has phase or perceptible form or imperceptible wave or particle characteristics. Everything pops in &amp; out of this &#8221; reality &#8221; on a inconstant basis. Our mere attention  alters these &#8216;small&#8217; quanta. Understanding is not beyond us, we do need finer sensitivities &amp; more acceptance of the non-dual probabilities of non &#8211; static &amp; synchronous creation.</p>
<p>I love that  if you may have seen Yoda &amp; known it for a subcultural referent you were imposing upon an incomprehensible manifestation.  But not &#8216;real&#8217; ? For centuries the great literary works of many authors were consider as &#8216;real&#8217; as the scope of the readers&#8217; invocation of their imagination. Some insist that mass belief creates parallel worlds. Which begs the question, did today&#8217;s consensus reality get so bad from a lack of imagination &amp; positive intentionality ? Or was it constant distraction of imposed nightmare scenarios ?</p>
<p>Great mantis story ! Next time you encounter one IRL, try communicating a visual image of, or just show it a 2D projection of the E8 Lie group, that is a graphic representation of a mathematical model of a polytope that lives in eight dimensions. It looks a bit like a very complex mandala done by a very intricate spirograph. The original was hand drawn back in the 60&#8242;s by Peter McMullen &amp; not capable of being rendered even partially by modern supercomputers (which are not analogous to human brains) until recently (M.I.T.) Anyhow, you just might get an answer, if it&#8217;s really an alien ambassador ! </p>
<p>Write On !  I may be small &amp; contain only certain numbers, but I salute your voyaging !  +Cee Are  ~~</p>
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