================================================================= This file is a part of the 1999 Hyperreal Drug Archives Snapshot. This snapshot is hosted by Erowid and will not be updated after October 1999. The information in these files may be out of date. See Erowid's Psychoactive Vaults for more current info. ================================================================= From: jkenner@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Jason Kennerly) Subject: Re: Meth Snyth Questions Date: Sun, 06 Aug 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <402vpu$p59@cello.gina.calstate.edu> references: <3vu55l$9g8_006@netcom.com> organization: GINA and CORE+ Services of The California State University newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry Yet another stupid methamphetamine synthesis idea... this time by me. It seems the holy grail in meth synthesis is to be a cheap bastard, not stink up the neighboorhood, corode the sewers to bad or blow your apartment complex up. Because methamphetamine is actualy one of the "trivial" organic synthesises, most alt.drugs.* posts have focused on the easiest way to make it. It looks like a truly interesting drug to bad that it doesnt do shit for me huh... closest I can come is a mix of taurine + vivarin... formetntioned substance puts yours truly to sleep... ANYWAYS ON WITH THE SHOW. ETHYL ETHER TIME! this method uses ether. Dont fuck with ether its bad for you. This method is totally hypothetical and submitted for criticism only. Is it possible to use HBr + Zinc Bromide in aqeuous solution to make beta-bromo-methamphetamine from pseudephedrine or ephedrine? Everything I have read suggests that will be something that will pull off without a hitch in the world. If it is, why not then add this magical substance to ether then make the grignard. Then, slow-like so as not to disturb anything, add water (!) producing magnesium salts and the hydrocarbon, which incidently happens to be methamphetamine. Its not as simple as the RedP+I2 method, but I dont think phosphorus (or iodine) make great contaminents for a drug that speeds you up anyways... hell those alone will make you into s skinny hyperthyroid mess wont they? Combine it with meth and you can see its a quick road to hell if they get in the mix... --- Iodine can be recovered from any iodine salt by simply adding H2SO4. It'll produce HI, but only for a split second... the H2SO4 promptly oxidizes it to I2... hell making HBr with H2SO4 if you aren't specially careful you may see some bromine ... -- ____ ______ ________ _____ / \ | \| /\ | \ jkenner@cello.gina.calstate.edu / \| _ \ \/ | _ \ /___/\ \___|> > |__|> > BORN TO BE WIRED... / | / /\ | / All the sugar and twice the \_________|______/|___\/__|______/ caffeine of regular netusers! finger me and make a pgp key come. From: eleusis@netcom.com (Eleusis) Subject: Re: Meth Snyth Questions Date: Sun, 06 Aug 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <403dh0$98s_002@netcom.com> sender: eleusis@netcom10.netcom.com references: <3vu55l$9g8_006@netcom.com> <402vpu$p59@cello.gina.calstate.edu> organization: A Lonely Laptop on the Fringe newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry In article <402vpu$p59@cello.gina.calstate.edu>, jkenner@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Jason Kennerly) wrote: >Is it possible to use HBr + Zinc Bromide in aqeuous solution to make >beta-bromo-methamphetamine from pseudephedrine or ephedrine? Everything I >have read suggests that will be something that will pull off without a >hitch in the world. If not this exact combination, something very similar. The bromide would be an excellent choice, it seems though. I am not sure about the aq. conditions, but, I'm also not sure what today's date is... >If it is, why not then add this magical substance to ether then make the >grignard. Then, slow-like so as not to disturb anything, add water (!) >producing magnesium salts and the hydrocarbon, which incidently happens >to be methamphetamine. My god, this is *fucking brilliant*. Of course, Grignard reactions aren't exactly suited to mass production, but what a nice, clean product one would get. >Its not as simple as the RedP+I2 method Not as simple???? Are you nuts? This would be a piece o' cake, as long as everything stayed nice and anhydrous in the beginning. Also, points for the reduced toxicity of byproducts. Magnesium salts might give you the shits or something, but there not going to earn you the nickname "Goiter Joe". >--- > >Iodine can be recovered from any iodine salt by simply adding H2SO4. >It'll produce HI, but only for a split second... the H2SO4 promptly >oxidizes it to I2... hell making HBr with H2SO4 if you aren't specially >careful you may see some bromine ... Yep... might I add that to recover the halide instead of rearranging the haloacid, you need to use full strength H2SO4 on the salt, perhaps pre-wetted with a little HCl. Theoretically, there would be an equivalence point between water and H2SO4 that would allow you to easily convert an XI + HY to HI + XY, or you could just use phosphoric acid instead of sulfuric (was it you that suggested that?). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Finger me for my PGP Key . . _ _ . . /o\ Give me lava lamps or give me death... /o\ . . \_/ \_/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From: dmurphy3@aol.com (DMurphy3) Subject: Re: Meth Snyth Questions Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <40akk3$74e@newsbf02.news.aol.com> sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com references: <4063gv$9g4_001@netcom.com> organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) reply-to: dmurphy3@aol.com (DMurphy3) newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry The zinc method gives very poor yields is the only bad point. Refs supplied if requested. Cheers, D From: jkenner@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Jason Kennerly) Subject: Brominated Ephedrine Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <4218j0$26h@cello.gina.calstate.edu> organization: GINA and CORE+ Services of The California State University newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, [deleted] wrote [to me in email]: > Dear Sir > Would you be so kind as to e-mail me a detailed description of the brominated > ephedrine method of synthesizing methamphetamine. Thanx and Cherio! Method, no. The idea I proposed was to prepare HBr acid [see elusis's file] in aqueous solution, add Ephedrine base (or HBr?) and zinc bromide [or a small amount of zinc to FORM zinc bromide] as catalyst, to form bromomethamphetamine. This reaction would take place faster than the coresponding reaction with HCl. HI + ZnI may very well proceed straight to methamphetamine given HI's aptitude for attacking iodated hydrocarbons. The bromomethamphetamine would be disolved in anhydrous ethyl ether, then powdered magnesium would be added, hopefully forming the grignard. To this water is added slowly to form methamphetamine and various magnesium salts.. I've never seen it tried and the NH2+ may cause aproblem with forming the grignard. It's just an idea. -- ____ ______ ________ _____ / \ | \| /\ | \ jkenner@cello.gina.calstate.edu / \| _ \ \/ | _ \ /___/\ \___|> > |__|> > BORN TO BE WIRED... / | / /\ | / All the sugar and twice the \_________|______/|___\/__|______/ caffeine of regular netusers! finger me and make a pgp key come. [ NOTE: See http://www.hyperreal.org/drugs/synthesis/meth.synth.faq for response to this idea ]