================================================================= This file is a part of the 1999 Hyperreal Drug Archives Snapshot. This snapshot is hosted by Erowid and will not be updated after October 1999. The information in these files may be out of date. See Erowid's Psychoactive Vaults for more current info. ================================================================= From: geekinone@aol.com (GeekinOne) Date: 13 Feb 1998 23:46:00 GMT Newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry Subject: Re: "nazi" method All the hype about the so called "nazi" method undoubtably comes from media propaganda such as the following which I found online in the Seattle Times Copyright c 1996 The Seattle Times Company Aug 19, 1996 New recipe has meth labs cooking by Ruth Schubert Seattle Times South bureau Ingredients for the "latest" methamphetamine recipe sit on the shelves of most local drug and hardware stores - common household stuff like cold pills and fertilizer. Faster and purer than other methods, the decades-old recipe is fueling an outbreak of drug labs in Pierce County, and Puget Sound drug-enforcement officers are wary the problem will spread. "It's so simple it's making making methamphetamine as easy as making chocolate-chip cookies," said Deputy Tom Lind, a member of Pierce County's Certified Meth Lab Team. The cooking time is a couple of hours. Other formulas take days. The recipe is called the "Nazi" method because it's purportedly the same mix used by the German army in World War II for "speed" to keep its troops alert and aggressive. Local police say the formula moved to Washington from the East Coast and was handed to Pierce County detectives by an informer in March. It's one of the main reasons Pierce County meth-lab busts are running at least double of last year's.... From: smi@sch.tiac (Samson) Date: 13 Feb 1998 23:38:58 GMT Newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry Subject: Re: "nazi" method In article <19980213191101.OAA20040@ladder03.news.aol.com>, jdavidsont@aol.com (JDavidsont) wrote: > lamontg@bite.me.spammers writes: > > >unregistered writes: > >>does nyone have any info on the so-called "nazi" method of meth cooking? > > > >I don't think anyone knows what the "nazi" method of cooking up meth was. > >Probably something complicated from phenylacetic acid done by their > >chemical industry. > > Were the P2P synths known back then? I thought they discovered > methamphetamine by dicking around with ephedrine back in the 20's. If you remember http://www.crl.com/~rogely/index.htm , and a.d.c's little we-see-you-you-see-us with the Clandestine Laboratory Investigating Chemists Association, they had a list of abstracts from their conferences on the site (now pulled, due to 'unusually high interest'). One described the "Nazi method" as the red P synth -- if I remember correctly. It wasn't anything 'exotic' anyway. At least that's what they say that clandestine chemists call the "Nazi method". Who knows if that's how the German pharmco's actually did it during the war. From: lamontg@bite.me.spammers Date: 14 Feb 1998 01:17:45 GMT Newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry Subject: Re: "nazi" method smi@sch.tiac (Samson) writes: >At least that's what they say that clandestine chemists call the "Nazi >method". Who knows if that's how the German pharmco's actually did it >during the war. In other words, the cooks who call it the "Nazi method" so they can sound bad-ass just gave the DEA another meaningless rhetorical piece of garbage they can use for propaganda. That Seattle Times article being a good example. Too bad all the self-proclaimed "Nazi method" cooks aren't bright enough to realize when they're sitting in jail how they're helping out the DEA with their choice of terminology. -- Lamont Granquist (lamontg at u dot washington dot edu) ICBM: 47 39'23"N 122 18'19"W "It all comes from here, the stench and the peril."--Frodo (from Perl5/toke.c) From: Doc Aliquot Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:58:51 -0700 Newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry Subject: Re: "nazi" method I did some looking around in the Roche archives...racemic amphetamine was originally discovered by Gordon Alles at Smith, Kline, and French Labs in 1929, using the phenylacetonitrile ->P2P synthesis, and hit the market two years later as Benzedrine inhalers & nose drops....then as tabs of Benzedrine sulfate in 1932. When the Nazi's needed speed for the troops, and couldn't get enough raw materials to make P2P, and palladium catalyst supplies were non-existent, Merck Labs came up with the iodophosphorus/ephedrine reaction...another tidbit of useless knowledge. unregistered wrote: > does nyone have any info on the so-called "nazi" method of meth cooking? > Also, is uncle festers book any good? How about Strike's "total > synthesis"?