================================================================= This file is a part of the 1999 Hyperreal Drug Archives Snapshot. This snapshot is hosted by Erowid and will not be updated after October 1999. The information in these files may be out of date. See Erowid's Psychoactive Vaults for more current info. ================================================================= From: chris@hacktic.nl (chris) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Re: Datura, MG seeds, etc... Date: 18 Jan 1994 18:31:40 +0100 Message-ID: <2hh6eaINNs0@xs4all.hacktic.nl> sm1968@u.cc.utah.edu (stephen miller) writes: >: What is the possibility of ending up in a psych hospital from using either of >: these? >I have a friend that took a handful at the NV testsite this summer. He >experienced thre days of intense delirium. On his third day he showed up >at my doorstep in Salt Lake City and proceded to tell me the story with >full hyper-metaphoric-spiritual insight detours over the course of about >three or four hours (it might have been more--the memory, y'know). >Anyway, this winter he still insists that he has not fully recovered. > Apparently this is the deal: the seeds are *HEAVY*DUTY* If you >are seriously into fucking with (remapping) your head in seriously chaotic >ways--this is your "vehicle" if you think you can survive it (my friend >probably almost didn't). A much milder version of this trip (one that is, >so I have heard, relatively safe) can be had by making a tea with the >leaves. I have not tried this and do not specifically recall anyone else >who had first-hand experience. My friend threw the remainder of his seeds >out the window, so perhaps in the spring.... > Stephen Miller I can confirm the validity of the description above from my own experience. This was from a TEA made out of the leaves of Datura Stramonium. If you want hallucinations this is your drug. However "you" are not there to experience them. This stuff takes over completely and irreversibly for at least 24 hours. Stupidly, I went out while the effects had not yet fully started. After having been thrown out of a bar, where I was desperately searching for my briefcase that was suposed to be there someplace (but which i hadn't even with me ) I found myself in a city that i did not recognize. I did not remember where I came from , where to go , what do do, who I was, let alone what I was doing there at this time of night, nor did I have any clue how to get "home" as far as there was still a conception of what home might be. There was complete retrograde amnesia: no acces to any knowledge at all. In the mean time I had encounters with people I knew , that were able to do a disapearing act. Just by standing behind a light pole they could make themselves invisible. (This must be the "witches sabbath" hallucination , which seems recurrent in this type of delirium: the very very real hallucination of speaking with people). Also I was constantly hallucinating that I was smoking a cigarette, which whould suddenly disappear leaving me searching te street , thinking that i dropped it. Witches are actually shrubs growing in front yards (they live underground, the branches are the hairs) Lots and lots of little bugs hand each other berries along branches. I must have walked the same street 50 times back and forth Wanting to get somewhere , forgetting were i was going to or were i was in the first place. A small statue of a child alongside the road started laughing and laughing harder and harder every time i passed, it was a ridiculous sight to see this idiot come by for the 40th time, even for a statue. And so on . For 24 hours. It was a really interesting experience, not a nice one, I could not see straight for a week (due to anticholinergic parasympatholytic effect of atropine/scopolamine.) Only for those who want to be able to say that they tried EVERYTHING. chris ============================================================================= From: paul.rossouw@digitec.co.za (Paul Rossouw) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Datura an ally Message-ID: <5847.206.uupcb@digitec.co.za> Date: 27 Jul 94 19:37:00 GMT The interesting thing about Datura is the power of the experience. Ketamine is the only other drug that creates anything remotely like this (but I haven't tried DMT). Unlike K, which is very otherwordly and downright bizarre, Datura is very earthy and familiar. Nonetheless, both can be used as tools to explore reality. It's difficult to explain the difference in a few words. So, I'll give an example of a typical Datura trip (stage 2). <<< The Infinity Book >>> I'm propped up in bed, reading an amazing book. The topic is really fascinating and resonates with my interests. When I get to the bottom of the right hand page, I try to slide my hand behind the page, to turn it over and continue reading. But there are no more pages, and I flip fresh air. In fact there is no book (ie, I'm propped up in bed, with my empty hands, palms up, lying on my lap). I'm surprised and irritated that there are no more pages. But, the topic was so interesting that I decide it's worth reading again. When I start reading at the top of the left hand page, the book is about a totally different topic. Which is just as fascinating, so I quickly read to the bottom of the right hand page, and try flip over the page to continue the story. But, there are no more pages. So I start reading from the beginning again. And, wow, another totally different yet fascinating topic. I read eagerly and come across an amazing sentence. I decide to read it again. My eye scans to the beginning of the sentence and I start reading. But the topic has changed again. And so it goes. Basically, any hesitaion on my part, any break in the flow, would switch the topic. Always great reading though. So I languished in bed for a few hours reading my endlessly fascinating, Infinity Book. --- . SLMR 2.1a . No left turn unstoned ---- --- Digitec Online --- Johannesburg, South Africa --- tel +27 11 476-2008 --- ============================================================================= From: kermi@aol.com (Kermi) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Datura Experience Date: 27 Jul 1994 23:27:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3178id$c0k@search01.news.aol.com> Datura's not a worthwhile adventure; about 15 years ago I ate a number of Jimsonweed seeds and only remember about two hours of extremely severe Phantasms. This was two hours of conciousness out of almost THREE DAYS of heavy duty delieirum, visions/fantasy, lucid dreams.I would'nt call them hallucinations in the LSD on Psilocyben sense.They were completely otherworldly. I was completely gone. My friends and sister had to take care of me .I was a danger to myself and others. I am surprised noone took me to the hospital ( I was a teenager and my parents were out of town). I remember having a long conversation with my alarm clock on the nightstand while trying to sleep and other weirdness. After about 2 1/2 Days I was pretty aware of things around me again but remained poisoned for about a week. My vision got back to normal after a few days. I have never heard good things about using the tropane group of alkaloids for recreation (of which Datura and Atropa Bellodonna belong)although I have a lot of books by Hoffman , Schultes and others who document the use of Datura and related plants among Shaman of South America and Native Southwestern Americans. ( not to mention the Wiccans of old Europe). I think if you have someone skilled in the use of medicinal plants, these two plants are very helpful for pain relief, asthma and other illnesses, ceremonies etc (In fact you can buy O-T-C- in most health food /vitamin stores in the homeopathic remedies section a product callled Bellodonna 6X it is used for fevers and neuralgia ). But if you do not know the potency of the plant AND its origins AND how much to even begin with eating, my advice is don't fuck with it. I can remember that shit like it was yesterday and it was not fun. Hope this helps. ============================================================================= From: pdg@iaccess.za (Trevor Hughes) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Datura Experience Date: 18 Aug 1994 14:31:42 +0200 Message-ID: This posting is in repsonse to a posting I read (Datura Experience.) I believe I once took Datura. Only I knew it as malpitte, an afrikaans word which literally translated equals "mad seeds". I had seen the effects on one other person, so I thought I knew what I was letting my self in for. I don't know if I would recomend it to any one after having what was initially a bad trip. Unfortunately I cannot say how much I took, but it was about a matchbox full. It started affecting me about two hours later, when the sky and the sea turned from blue into green. I then started hearing voices and experiencing strange things. I have only limited memory of all that happend. But everything was cool, I mean I was acting really strange and all, until after I went to sleep - must have been 12-13 hours after I took the stuff. I woke up sometime in the middle of the night, and started having one the worst experiences of my life. Everything seemed so real. It was really bad. There were people all arround me, trying to get me, following me arround with guns and knives, someone had planted a bomb right outside my tent, and I went looking for the cops so that they could come and diffuse it. I do not know how long I was running arround for in the state, but it must have been a good couple of hours. I finally made it back to the tent and fell asleep. After that night, I really believed all that I had hallucinated to be real. Reality was just a blur. I could not focus, and I was seeing double, but was wonderfully relaxed, just like being mildly stoned. This condition lasted a about two and half days, when I found that I could see in focus again. The feeling that I had for two days was wonderful, and I would like to have that again, but not if I have to suffer through another bad trip like that. Maybe I took too much, because a friend of mine took a bit less, and did not seem to have a bad trip. If you want to try the stuff, I say beware, and make sure you have acouple of days to recover. Trevor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Trevor Hughes | Where the grass | My opinions are not | | pdg@iaccess.za | is green and the | (yet) necessarily | | Compuserve 100100,2324 | girls are pretty. | those of my employers. | | Cape Town, South Africa | The beaches too. | But who knows? | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================================= From: "Dr R.H.Hammersley" Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 14:55:55 +0100 Subject: Re: jimson weed Just to confirm this description of the effects of Jimson weed. During the early '70s a lot of people in my social circle tried Jimson Weed in the form of "Surama" herbal cigarettes. Except they ate them instead of of smoking them. They all reported the effects described. One was unable to read fine print for two days. Another hallucinated a regiment of soldiers marching through his living room. A third stepped out of a country cottage and saw a Giant about to destroy the local town. He was so worried that he ran and warned the local police. Oh dear. -- Richard Hammersley, Behavioural Sciences Group, U. Glasgow, G12 8QQ, Scotland, UK: GPWA04@udcf.gla.ac.uk ============================================================================= From: s9404775@gwlab.up.ac.za Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Datura:Godess of empowerment Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 18:04:48 Message-ID: I have just come off my first datura(Jimson weed/Devil's weed) "trip". I use the word "trip", due to the lack of a better option. I truly thought that I have seen almost everything that drugs can do a couple of days ago.I was dead-wrong. So many things happened; I'll tell you about 1. I was inside my bathroom for more than half an hour talking to someone.I did not know who he was but I saw him every now and again. I did not like seeing him, because he was a very irritating fellow. Anything I did, he would do; if I rubbed my cheek, he would do the same in a horibly exact replica of my actions.This really pissed me off. I was however too fast for him on certain occasions. This morning I realised that I had been talking to the mirror. This is very dangerous stuff.If you don't feel mentally and spiritually competent and cleansed ,don't go near her, for she will drive you insane permanently, or if you're a bit more lucky, she will kill you. Handle Her with the utmost respect and care, and your life will take on a new dimension.I must emphasize that I did a lot of research and was scared shitless, if not I would probably been Her latest victim(and there has been many!) Take really good care, the Lucid Surreal Dreamer. ============================================================================= From: gwilson@new-orleans.neosoft.com (Glenn Wilson) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Re: Datura:Godess of empowerment Date: 30 Aug 1994 05:22:35 GMT Message-ID: <33ufmr$mv2@uuneo.neosoft.com> [quoted text deleted -cak] I had my first experience with her (Datura) in 10th grade or so. I made some very dangerous mistakes. I had no idea at the time the proper use of it so I figured "Why not Make a tea just like shrooms". Anyway I mashed the flowers and stems into a boiling pot of water and let simmer for a while. Then I started to think, "Well mabe I should put the apples in as well." So I took about 4 or five of the apples and put them in a blender until they were mush. Then I added them to the boiling brew. When I figured it was ready, I poured about two cups in a big gulp cup and gussled it down. About twenty minutes later I felt my face get really hot, everything turned and then I just went to sleep. I woke up late the next afternoon, which I thought was strange since I dosed at about 1 the previous afternoon and figured I had fallen asleep around 3 pm at the latest. Anyway a few years later I was speaking with a pharmacalogist friend, and told him of the experience. He told me that I prepared it wrong, drank too much of it, and should have died or at least been clinicaly brain dead after such a dosage. I guess she liked me. ============================================================================= From: Brian Curcio Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: TREE DATURA Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 12:35:23 -0500 Message-ID: I Have Just Had a Friend pick a bag if the Trumpet Like Plants, Which Has Been Identified as Datura, I Boiled all except for the Flowers of it, and drank it, Everything Went Blurry, I could not see in front of my face, Let alone take Customers at my Job, I ended up going home and Spent the next 4 or s Hour sitting around my house Jumping at anything that was in my periphral vision that was Moving, also my motor movements went to shit, and I Kind of Felt like I was Floating, There was really intense Visuals But I still had the feeling i had a grasp on Life. In the middle and still as of Now, I am suffering of Amnesia, Not remember what I even had to eat.... I Just would Like to know the Pros and Cons of this Drugs. and if my "Trip" was Normal for the Datura Plant. Thanx TTFN ============================================================================= From: markmar@crl.com (Mark Marshall) Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives Subject: Re: jimson Date: 2 Oct 1994 08:38:57 -0700 Message-ID: <36mk6h$2b7@crl4.crl.com> Edulink loaner (loan2@minerva.cis.yale.edu) wrote: : Anyone know anything about JImson Weed? It has apparently put several : kids in the hospital around here due to overdose. It's supposed to be : highly psychoactive and hallucinigenic, but very dangerous if OD'd on.. : Any info? Having used datura a few times in my youth as well a related plant that, I believe, here in California, is called Angel's Trumpet. I determined the dosage from reading between the lines from the first Don Juan book. Perhaps, I was just lucky. While it is accurate to say it highly psychoactive, it is not hallucinogenic. It is delusional. I have never believed that any hallucination I saw under the influence of mushrooms, mescaline, acid was anything more than a mirror of my mind or the perception of things usually filtered. Datura and this other plant produce a state where you believe that what you perceive is real. Truly. It contains belladonna alkaloids and is very dangerous. The "high" lasts about 36-48 hours. It will allow you to do very stupid and dangerous things. As an example, a group of us, consumed a tea made out of the seeds and finely chopped roots. One guy, who dealt drugs and wasn't particularily centered and/or able to connect with anyone else in the group decided to take off. Another guy and I understood that it was dangerous for anybody to become separated so we pursued him down to a busy boulevard where after a couple of blocks we became freaked and ceased tried trying to talk him into returning with us. We went back to the house. He went on his way, went to his house, got a suitcase full of drugs, walked to a strange neighborhood and into some old people's house. Whereupon, he began to behave as if he was in his own house. What occurred next I'm sure is obvious. If ya really want to get whacked out and have, perhaps, a transcendent experience, this is not it. If reports here and elsewhere are correct, and you want something like that, find a chemist, synthesize some DMT, find a safe place and your deity be with you. At least you won't die. - mark ============================================================================= Newsgroups: alt.drugs.psychedelics From: gordon_k@efn.org (Gordon Kelley) Subject: Re: Jimson seeds... Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 04:39:37 GMT [quoted text deleted -cak] Yo! Jimson Weed is NOT a good trip, and the seeds are seriously the strongest part of the plant....here's an account that I downloaded in case you thought that Datura was good to mess around with: collected about 3-4 ounces of seeds one weekend. He was driving back with friend and took 2 teaspoonfuls of seeds. After about half an hour he still wasn't feeling affects so reached in the bag and grabbed a handful of seeds and started munching... friend was (hmm) flabbergasted.. this guy musn't have had any clue what it would do to him. Well, ten minutes later he's feeling the affects a bit.. just a bit of a buzz, and drops friend (stoned out of gourd) at his house and goes to park the car. Friend forgets about him for about an hour (go figure) and this is what happened: He drove off and doesn't know where he was heading, but ended up running his mom's brand new audi into a tree at some appartment complex. He was still functional enough to realize that he knew someone who lived in the area and went to her house... When she opened the door he was babbling about nothing at all and just running off at the mouth. Girl was a friend and loaded him into her car and took him to his house and dropped him off in the street. He walked inside his house (maybe 1.5 1.75 hours after eating) and goes into his room, gets his boombox and goes to the bathroom to take a shower. Strips down naked, gets in shower, no water.. gets out takes radio downstairs (still stark naked) and starts cleaning.. moving furniture and dusting etc... While his mom is sitting in the room trying to watch TV. She asks him what the hell he thinks he's doing... He replies, "Goddammit Mom! Leave me alone, can't you see i'm trying to take a shower!! DAMN!" then starts babbling again... Well, his mom called for paramedics.. he was lucky.. pumped him full of some other drug, (thorizine maybe) fuzzy here.. and pumped his stomach. Doctors said he was very lucky.. maybe within an hour of death. Just thought i'd post this story.... kinda funny, but serious undertones... that shit messes with you. Set and setting aside, be prepared for a "wild" time.. --------- I've read of much worse....BE CAREFUL. IF you MUST experiment with Jimson Weed, do your research very carefully first. I strongly suggest that you NOT ingest any. BTW, not only is it legal, but grows as a weed in most of the US. Gordon